NFL's Top 100 Discussion

[Sven Draconian]

There's more to it than that.

No. There isn't. You made an absurdly false statement, because any "arguement" you've made has been absolutely destroyed by those pesky "facts"


But hey, never let a fact get in the way of a good opinion.

 

[Blick]

And QB being a tougher position to play is irrelevant.

Being a medicore QB does not make you better than a Great LB because you play QB. It makes you more highly paid, it means you probably got drafted higher and it means you don't get hit in practice. But it's irrelevant to your actual skill set.

The list isn't
"Top 100 most valuable players"
"Top 100 young players"
"Top 100 most popular players" (Ok, it actually is..."

It's the "Top 100 players in the NFL."

Which means that only elite players at their position should make it. (Again, 22 positions = top 4 per position (roughly, actual distribution should change slightly) plus a couple of kick returners and maybe a kicker (hey, if you want to make the value arguement, how do you NOT include kickers?)

OBVIOUSLY talent is somewhat equally distributed between the positions.Teams aren't sitting fantastic LT's on the bench because they don't play RT or guard. There is some natural flux in talent per position (QB is up a little right now, RB is down for example).

Since QB is in an "upswing" I could buy that there should be maybe 6 or so on the list (Rogers, Rivers, Brady, Big Ben, Peyton, Brees). I coud even see an arguement for Matty Ryan clinging to the 98/99/100 spot as the 7th best QB in the league.

Flacco? Sanchez? Freeman? GTFO.
And LMFAO at Donovan McNabb.

6th best QB rating in the league isn't mediocre, and neither is Freeman's skillset.

 

[Sven Draconian]

6th best QB rating in the league isn't mediocre, and neither is Freeman's skillset.

No, being the 6th best QB in the league isn't mediocre. Not how I put Big Ben ON the list of top 100.

Being, say, 12th is pretty medicore. Note how Josh Freeman would not make my list.

 

[BonesMahoney95]

And I love how Freeman gets all of the credit for the Bucs sudden improvement, when two additions to the offense (Williams & Blount) were arguably the most impactful. They weren't there in '09, but Freeman was. Where was this Freeman magic wand two years ago?

Its like saying, Isaac Bruce spearheaded the greatest show on turf, ignoring that they added Faulk, Warner, and Holt.

Didn't you just say earlier in the thread that if Freeman was the best player on the Bucs it wouldn't be a big deal because the Bucs are basically a bunch of scrubs? Now the Bucs have some offensive playmakers and they are the reason for the teams success?

I agree that Blount and Williams had a big impact on the team/offense(how could anyone not agree?), but Freeman was clearly the guy that made it all work. He improved so much from year one to year two(sucking as a rookie QB isn't something exclusive to Freeman...). He shouldn't get all the credit for the teams success but he deserves a lot of it.

 

[Blick]

Didn't you just say earlier in the thread that if Freeman was the best player on the Bucs it wouldn't be a big deal because the Bucs are basically a bunch of scrubs? Now the Bucs have some offensive playmakers and they are the reason for the teams success?

I agree that Blount and Williams had a big impact on the team/offense(how could anyone not agree?), but Freeman was clearly the guy that made it all work. He improved so much from year one to year two(sucking as a rookie QB isn't something exclusive to Freeman...). He shouldn't get all the credit for the teams success but he deserves a lot of it.

Yeah, earlier, Warner, in response to BigBucs, said that the Bucs don't have a great roster, and that they were "full of bums".

Hilarious.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Yeah, earlier, Warner, in response to BigBucs, said that the Bucs don't have a great roster, and that they were "full of bums".

Hilarious.

They don't have a good roster. Nobody thinks they have a good roster. So of course he's one of their better players. But the idea that Freeman turned it around alone is silly, when you consider that Freeman was already there, but Williams & Blount, two key performers, were added this past year. Blowing the theory that Freeman does it all by himself to bits.

Two mutially exclusive points, but I'm not surprised you don't understand that.

 

[j.hen]

Let me know when we get into the 30's and 20's so I can start paying attention for Falcons players names. :smug:

 

[Blick]

No, being the 6th best QB in the league isn't mediocre. Not how I put Big Ben ON the list of top 100.

Being, say, 12th is pretty medicore. Note how Josh Freeman would not make my list.

You said you could see an argument for Matt Ryan being on the list. Freeman's numbers last year were better than any of Ryan's seasons.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

You said you could see an argument for Matt Ryan being on the list. Freeman's numbers last year were better than any of Ryan's seasons.

Are you really this dense?

How many years has Ryan been playing at a high level? He was at a high level from Day 1. He led his team to the playoffs in his rookie year, in the same division as Freeman. He has one of the best (if not THE best) home records in the sport. He took a franchise just as dead as Tampa was to the playoffs twice.

His resume shits on Freeman. Get lost with this garbage. Please take this faggotry elsewhere until Freeman accomplishes something in the league. I'm done being civil, this thread is ridiculous.

 

[Blick]

They don't have a good roster. Nobody thinks they have a good roster. So of course he's one of their better players. But the idea that Freeman turned it around alone is silly, when you consider that Freeman was already there, but Williams & Blount, two key performers, were added this past year. Blowing the theory that Freeman does it all by himself to bits.

Two mutially exclusive points, but I'm not surprised you don't understand that.

As the quarterback, team captain, and leader of the team he had more of an impact than an undrafted roookie and 4th round pick.

I never said Freeman does it all by himself.

 

[Blick]

Are you really this dense?

How many years has Ryan been playing at a high level? He was at a high level from Day 1. He led his team to the playoffs in his rookie year, in the same division as Freeman. He has one of the best (if not THE best) home records in the sport. He took a franchise just as dead as Tampa was to the playoffs twice.

His resume shits on Freeman. Get lost with this garbage. Please take this faggotry elsewhere until Freeman accomplishes something in the league. I'm done being civil, this thread is ridiculous.

Same amount of playoff wins as Freeman...

And Jesus Christ, let's not act like Ryan has been in the league for a decade. He's only been in the league a year longer....and one of those years where he was playing at a "high level", he had a fucking 80.9 rating.

 

[FirstTimer]

Same amount of playoff wins as Freeman...

Freeman would have to make the playoffs first before he can win one.

 

[Primetime]

You said you could see an argument for Matt Ryan being on the list. Freeman's numbers last year were better than any of Ryan's seasons.

:homieslol: You don't honestly believe Freeman is better than Ryan do you?

 

[Blick]

Freeman would have to make the playoffs first before he can win one.

I guess it's a good thing he has quite a bit of career left...

 

[Sven Draconian]

You said you could see an argument for Matt Ryan being on the list. Freeman's numbers last year were better than any of Ryan's seasons.

:jimshake:

Besides a couple obvious points I'll make:
Matt Ryan has been playing at a high level for 3 full seasons, Josh Freeman has one.
Matt Ryan beat Freeman twice last season (when Freeman did not play well).


Lets look at just the stats:
Ryan threw for more yards and more TDs.
Ryan had a better completion percentage.
Ryan had over 100 more attempts (His offense relied more heavily on him)


Freeman has a better QB Rating (who cares?) and better Yards Per attempt.

I'll go ahead and take Ryan, just based on the stats.

 

[Blick]

:homieslol: You don't honestly believe Freeman is better than Ryan do you?

No, just arguing that it's not that ridiculous for Freeman to be on the list.

 

[FirstTimer]

I guess it's a good thing he has quite a bit of career left...

He better hope Blount and Williams hang around.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Same amount of playoff wins as Freeman...

And Jesus Christ, let's not act like Ryan has been in the league for a decade. He's only been in the league a year longer....and one of those years where he was playing at a "high level", he had a fucking 80.9 rating.

So let me get this straight...you are willing to knock Ryan for his lowly 81 passer rating, yet you have completely ignored Freeman's shitier than shit rookie season where he barely cracked 50?

Are you seriously arguing that Freeman has had a better career to this point than Ryan?

 

[Primetime]

No, just arguing that it's not that ridiculous for Freeman to be on the list.

He said he could see an argument for it, meaning he was on the edge of putting him on the list. Ryan is quite clearly the better player and well above Freeman's level of play. If Ryan is on the edge, Freeman belongs no where near this list.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

As the quarterback, team captain, and leader of the team he had more of an impact than an undrafted roookie and 4th round pick.

I never said Freeman does it all by himself.

Why are you so hung up on draft position/amatuer resumes?

Once these guys suit up, nobody cares anymore.