NFL's Top 100 Discussion

[Warner2BruceTD]

Josh Freeman doesn't play anything like Cassel IMO. After watching both play, would you say Cassel is the best QB to compare Freeman to in terms of skill set and play styles? I think Freeman is more akin to Big Ben's skillset and playing style, don't you?

Just so you know, this question isn't posed in anyway to be argumentative. Casual conversation here my man. I'm looking for a real conversation, not an emotion debate. Not trying to troll you or anything like that.

He was being sarcastic with the Cassel stuff towards Blick. Read back about 1,000 pages ago and it will make sense.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

He was being sarcastic with the Cassel stuff towards Blick. Read back about 1,000 pages ago and it will make sense.

Too man pages dedicated to Freeman to go back and read chapter 10. :shot:

 

[strahanfan92]

 

[Blick]

I don't know if senser is being sarcastic or not. But, I don't want to get into this shit again.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Any list of current players should include either a "if the aliens attack and human kind needs to win a football game in order to survive" statute to make things clear.

Usually these lists are never clear on whether or not to factor in next season potential , its pretty clear they do.
I lost interest in this until the top 30-40 hits. Past that you might as well throw darts at a roster to guess whos having what kind of season next year.

 

[Senser81]

This obviously went way over your head.

The main point of BigBucs post was to question why you would trash Freeman for having only 1 good season and a sub-par rookie year, while at the sae time, being so quick to jump on McFaddens nutsack and defend him after he had 2 sub-par years and 1 good year. The point of BigBucs post, and the point I'm patiently waiting a response for, is why are you not consistent on this? 1 good year is 1 good year. You can't have it both ways. Either both McFadden and Freeman don't belong, or they do. Which is it?

Its not that difficult. If the list is based on career achievement, then neither Freeman nor McFadden belong on the list. If the list is based on the 2010 season, then McFadden belongs on the list and Freeman does not.

You can argue that if you want, but at least know what the fuck the argument is and have half a brain to understand it. LOL at "you can't have it both ways". What are you talking about? McFadden's 2010 season was superior to Freeman's.

 

[Senser81]

I don't know if senser is being sarcastic or not. But, I don't want to get into this shit again.

Not being sarcastic at all. And I understand that you don't want to get into it, because you have no response.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Its not that difficult. If the list is based on career achievement, then neither Freeman nor McFadden belong on the list. If the list is based on the 2010 season, then McFadden belongs on the list and Freeman does not.

You can argue that if you want, but at least know what the fuck the argument is and have half a brain to understand it. LOL at "you can't have it both ways". What are you talking about? McFadden's 2010 season was superior to Freeman's.

Nobody is debating the criteria of the list. To debate such a matter is pointless. Each player voted based on their own individual criteria, and so the list itself has no base criteria. Still, I think BB brought up your 'so called understanding of the list' to shore up the simple point that you seem to want this list to be based on last seasons performance, yet you accept the evidence that Freeman had a bad rookie season while ignoring McFadden's two crappy years. Certainly young RBs find it far easier to break out in this league than do young QBs, a point that I think we can all agree upon. So if you consider this a career list, Freeman had 1-bad, 1 good. McFadden had 2-bad, 1 good. If this were a last season list Freeman had 1-good, and McFadden had 1-good. It's one way or the other. Weighted together based on degree of difficulty by position and you'd be hard pressed to convince everybody that Freeman didn't have just as impressive a year. (This goes with saying that I'm more of a McFadden fan personally, FYI)

Now I understand that "I can't trust him until he duplicates idea", but if this list is a single season, who's hot now kind of list, I think Freeman deserves mentioning in the very least, if not outright selection around McFadden.

 

[Senser81]

Nobody is debating the criteria of the list. To debate such a matter is pointless. Each player voted based on their own individual criteria, and so the list itself has no base criteria.

Exactly. I'm NOT debating the criteria of the list, because you can't debate what the criteria is. I asked what the criteria of the list was. Nobody could provide an answer. So its basically a popularity poll.

Still, I think BB brought up your 'so called understanding of the list' to shore up the simple point that you seem to want this list to be based on last seasons performance, yet you accept the evidence that Freeman had a bad rookie season while ignoring McFadden's two crappy years.

What are you talking about?? What is BB "shoring up"? What evidence am I accepting? McFadden's 2010 season was better than Freeman's. Case closed. I don't know how much clearer I can be, because this is like the fifth time I am repeating this. In fact, its the last line of what you quoted me saying. Are you doing this on purpose?

Certainly young RBs find it far easier to break out in this league than do young QBs, a point that I think we can all agree upon. So if you consider this a career list, Freeman had 1-bad, 1 good. McFadden had 2-bad, 1 good. If this were a last season list Freeman had 1-good, and McFadden had 1-good. It's one way or the other.

Huh? Is this for real? The extent of your analysis on this topic is that Freeman had a good season, and so did McFadden, so you can't say McFadden's season was better because they both were "good"????? If thats true, then how can they even start to differentiate between the Top 100? Every player would be tied for first, because they are all "good".

Weighted together based on degree of difficulty by position and you'd be hard pressed to convince everybody that Freeman didn't have just as impressive a year. (This goes with saying that I'm more of a McFadden fan personally, FYI)

Evidently.

Now I understand that "I can't trust him until he duplicates idea", but if this list is a single season, who's hot now kind of list, I think Freeman deserves mentioning in the very least, if not outright selection around McFadden.

Great.

 

[Aso]

The third quote and third response above had me laughing so hard. It sounds like a 6 year olds argument on football.

 

[BigBucs]

Im sorry but you have to be a fucking idiot to think that McFadden had a better year than Freeman.

A FUCKING IDIOT!

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Im sorry but you have to be a fucking idiot to think that McFadden had a better year than Freeman.

A FUCKING IDIOT!

Freeman had multiple comeback wins for your favorite team, plus you do a gimmick, so you have an emotional connection to the player which skews your judgement.

I know that you really believe everything you say about Freeman. I have no doubt that you really think the rest of us are crazy. But the fact is, he isn't at the level that you think he is, but your emotional connection will never allow you to see this.

 

[BigBucs]

Freeman had multiple comeback wins for your favorite team, plus you do a gimmick, so you have an emotional connection to the player which skews your judgement.

I know that you really believe everything you say about Freeman. I have no doubt that you really think the rest of us are crazy. But the fact is, he isn't at the level that you think he is, but your emotional connection will never allow you to see this.

Yea, OK pal. Im crazy because I think that 3500 yards passing, 25 TDs to 6 INT's and being the second leading rusher amongst QB's trumps a 1600 total yard 10 TD season. Yea, Im completely out of touch with reality.

 

[shag773]

He was in the top half of the league in pass attempts and yards. Going to per game numbers penalizes Freeman for starting and playing in every game, something the guys who pushed Freeman to the bottom part of the league in per game averages didn't do.

Umm....WHAT? You can't be serious with this? You're fucking around right? I can't believe posters have been taking you serious enough to argue with you for 25+ pages.


Thanks man, honestly. I needed a laugh...

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Huh? Is this for real? The extent of your analysis on this topic is that Freeman had a good season, and so did McFadden, so you can't say McFadden's season was better because they both were "good"????? If thats true, then how can they even start to differentiate between the Top 100? Every player would be tied for first, because they are all "good".

Not even close. This is the only question I have. What I'm saying is they both have had only 1 good season. You are saying Freeman needs to produce another good season for you to accept he's a top 100 player. By that same logic in McFadden's case, doesn't he need another good season for you to accept him as a top 100 player? Why or why not, please.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Not even close. This is the only question I have. What I'm saying is they both have had only 1 good season. You are saying Freeman needs to produce another good season for you to accept he's a top 100 player. By that same logic in McFadden's case, doesn't he need another good season for you to accept him as a top 100 player? Why or why not, please.

I defended my stance on this earlier, and I suspect his answer would be similar.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

I defended my stance on this earlier, and I suspect his answer would be similar.

Prove it. :smug:

 

[Senser81]

Im sorry but you have to be a fucking idiot to think that McFadden had a better year than Freeman.

A FUCKING IDIOT!

"Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates? Morons."​

 

[Senser81]

Not even close. This is the only question I have. What I'm saying is they both have had only 1 good season. You are saying Freeman needs to produce another good season for you to accept he's a top 100 player. By that same logic in McFadden's case, doesn't he need another good season for you to accept him as a top 100 player? Why or why not, please.

Why do you keep focusing on the wrong things, and why do you keep claiming that all good seasons are identical?

I don't remember saying Freeman needs to produce another good season for me to accept he's a top 100 player. If I did, please provide quote because I don't want to have to sift through the trainwreck of this thread.

Either way, I WILL respond to you, simply because you've made the same mistake 6 times in a row. McFadden doesn't need another good season because his 2010 season was one of the top 100 in the NFL. Freeman's 2010 ten season was nice, but it wasn't one of the top 100.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Why do you keep focusing on the wrong things, and why do you keep claiming that all good seasons are identical?

I don't remember saying Freeman needs to produce another good season for me to accept he's a top 100 player. If I did, please provide quote because I don't want to have to sift through the trainwreck of this thread.

Either way, I WILL respond to you, simply because you've made the same mistake 6 times in a row. McFadden doesn't need another good season because his 2010 season was one of the top 100 in the NFL. Freeman's 2010 ten season was nice, but it wasn't one of the top 100.

More opinion based bullshit. You have no proof to support your claim.