NFL's Top 100 Discussion

[Senser81]

I remember everything, Blick.

Everything.

But I don't remember Blick being this much of a fool on MM, do you?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

But I don't remember Blick being this much of a fool on MM, do you?

Aside from being the most shameless homer on the site, no.

 

[BigBucs]

I remember everything, Blick.

Everything.

You remember this? Im sure you do.

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[BigBucs]

Just gonna post this again to give these dickhead statements the shine they deserve. Obvious that Senser is simply an idiot in regards to this subject or he is trolling like always. May be a mix of both with how far off the highlighted statements he made is.

I don't think anybody is saying the guy is a pile of shit. But he's a young player, protected by a conservative gameplan, who has one decent season and one HORRENDOUS season under his belt. Forgive us if we would like more of a resume before we fall over ourselves gushing over him. I never came away particulary impressed with the "eye test" when watching him.

A guy who truly doesnt know shit at all.

He's only thrown for over 300 yards once in his career, and that time he also threw 5 INTs. Tampa seemed to dumb down their offense for Freeman. He averaged 32 att/game his rookie year. Last year, he averaged less than 30 att/game. Tampa made a concerted effort to "hide" Freeman, and it worked. When he had to carry the team with his arm, he couldn't do it. He benefited from a weak schedule and a pretty good defense. In fact, Tampa's defense outranked their offense last season.

This fucker has to be trolling.

Donald Penn sucked last year... The entire bucs offensive line is horrible. Penn is overrated, Davin Joseph is WAY overrated and Jeremy Trueblood is a joke. Freeman was constantly under pressure last year.

Little overboard. Penn was rock solid for the most part but we constantly played musical chairs at OL. Joseph, Trueblood and Faine were hurt for significant amounts of time, at the same time, last season so we were making due with what we had. Larsen, Zuttah and Lee did a decent job but having 3 starters out didnt make things any easier on Free.

And I love how Freeman gets all of the credit for the Bucs sudden improvement, when two additions to the offense (Williams & Blount) were arguably the most impactful. They weren't there in '09, but Freeman was. Where was this Freeman magic wand two years ago?

Its like saying, Isaac Bruce spearheaded the greatest show on turf, ignoring that they added Faulk, Warner, and Holt.

Stop acting like an idiot. Freeman played half the season after we started 0-7 and lead us to wins over Greenbay (this years champs), and New Orleans (you know, the superbowl champs that year). For a guy who watched %90 of the games that season you would know this.

BTW, Freeman's best games last year were against Arizona, Carolina, Seattle, and a NO team that rested for the playoffs

Wow. Why do gus spew off this shit as if it was fact. NO didnt rest anyone for that game. Not until the game was clearly over did they sit Brees. They were playing for a fucking division title.

Freeman before Blount: 85 passer rating
Freeman after Blount: 102 passer rating

Blount impacted Freeman and the offense more by himself. Now add in Mike Williams, and it's a no-brainer.

Yea, because a QB having far more success with a running game than without isnt typical. BTW, Freeman is 1-0 vs Rodger, in fact he got his very 1st W vs him. :smug:

What kind of impact did the QB (the same guy) make in 2009 without those guys?

Seems like the QB's impact was directly related to the additions of those two players.

What changed? Williams for Antonio Bryant, Blount for C.Williams. the QB didn't change, you geek. He improved, sure, but that had a lot to do with the arrrival of those two skill guys. Freeman didn't single handedly change the Bucs. Its a myth.

What a revelation, better players around you = more success. :acid: How many elite QBs in this league (save for Brady) has been successful with marginal talent? I dont see you trying to discredit them. SMH Only reason Manning has been good is Harrison and Wayne, Warner = Fitz/Boldin Holt/Bruce etc.... fuck out of here.

Charles: 91.7 yds/game
Blount: 91.5 yds/game

No saying Blount is in Charles league, but he made a very similar impact as Charles did when he got his chance.

Where is the receiving statistics?

I'm shocked you guys are even watching that show, much less have an opinion on it.

Even more shocked that people here still feed into BigBucs' trolling. C'mon fellas, you're better than that.

Get your ass on. I didnt have shit to do with this thread taking the direction it did.

 

[BigBucs]

 

[Primetime]

Freeman is 1-0 vs Rodger, in fact he got his very 1st W vs him. :smug:

Aaron Rodgers is a Superbowl champ, an MVP, and fucked Mila Kunis.

 

[BigBucs]

Aaron Rodgers is a Superbowl champ, an MVP, and fucked Mila Kunis.

You pointing out facts just like Im pointing out facts. :shot:

 

[Primetime]

Josh Freeman is 0-1 against Drew Stanton...

Talk to me when the Bucs make the playoffs, Freeman replicates his 2010 season, and he fucks a maxim top 5.

 

[BigBucs]

Josh Freeman is 0-1 against Drew Stanton...

Talk to me when the Bucs make the playoffs, Freeman replicates his 2010 season, and he fucks a maxim top 5.

Cute. Thank the Bucs getting shafted in that game for Rodgers getting a ring. Freeman even giving Rodgers titles and he doesnt even know how the GOD blessed him. You should be :bow: Freeman.

 

[Primetime]

Cute. Thank the Bucs getting shafted in that game for Rodgers getting a ring. Freeman even giving Rodgers titles and he doesnt even know how the GOD blessed him. You should be :bow: Freeman.

So now he has the most impact on two teams. You were stretching with the impact on the Bucs alone.

 

[bucky]

Freeman even giving Rodgers titles and he doesnt even know how the GOD blessed him.

No thanks needed. Happens all the time. You know, players not being good enough to win when it really counts. Seriously, it happens all the time. No gift or giving about it.

So far in there careers, Rodgers good enough, Freeman not. Case closed.

 

[Woy]

This thread sucks. Blick and BigBucs have been more ridiculous than usual.
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[Senser81]

Just gonna post this again to give these dickhead statements the shine they deserve. Obvious that Senser is simply an idiot in regards to this subject or he is trolling like always. May be a mix of both with how far off the highlighted statements he made is.



A guy who truly doesnt know shit at all.


This fucker has to be trolling.


Little overboard. Penn was rock solid for the most part but we constantly played musical chairs at OL. Joseph, Trueblood and Faine were hurt for significant amounts of time, at the same time, last season so we were making due with what we had. Larsen, Zuttah and Lee did a decent job but having 3 starters out didnt make things any easier on Free.


Stop acting like an idiot. Freeman played half the season after we started 0-7 and lead us to wins over Greenbay (this years champs), and New Orleans (you know, the superbowl champs that year). For a guy who watched %90 of the games that season you would know this.



Wow. Why do gus spew off this shit as if it was fact. NO didnt rest anyone for that game. Not until the game was clearly over did they sit Brees. They were playing for a fucking division title.


Yea, because a QB having far more success with a running game than without isnt typical. BTW, Freeman is 1-0 vs Rodger, in fact he got his very 1st W vs him. :smug:


What a revelation, better players around you = more success. :acid: How many elite QBs in this league (save for Brady) has been successful with marginal talent? I dont see you trying to discredit them. SMH Only reason Manning has been good is Harrison and Wayne, Warner = Fitz/Boldin Holt/Bruce etc.... fuck out of here.


Where is the receiving statistics?


Get your ass on. I didnt have shit to do with this thread taking the direction it did.

I just have to say that this is the most pathetic posting I've ever seen on VSN. Its factually incorrect (Tampa's defense DID outrank its offense last year), its filled with personal attacks, profanity, excessive multi-quoting, responding to multiple people in the same post, etc.

But what makes this pathetic is that is was already posted once, and got the recognition and response it deserved (none). To post this again reminds me of a pestering little brother who keeps doing the same annoying thing over and over until he illicits a response, no matter how negative.

 

[BigBucs]

I just have to say that this is the most pathetic posting I've ever seen on VSN. Its factually incorrect (Tampa's defense DID outrank its offense last year), its filled with personal attacks, profanity, excessive multi-quoting, responding to multiple people in the same post, etc.

But what makes this pathetic is that is was already posted once, and got the recognition and response it deserved (none). To post this again reminds me of a pestering little brother who keeps doing the same annoying thing over and over until he illicits a response, no matter how negative.

Tampa seemed to dumb down their offense for Freeman. He averaged 32 att/game his rookie year. Last year, he averaged less than 30 att/game. Tampa made a concerted effort to "hide" Freeman, and it worked. When he had to carry the team with his arm, he couldn't do it. He benefited from a weak schedule and a pretty good defense

You really trying to shit on my post when you posted this bullshit? Olsen didnt dumb down anything for Freeman or try to "hide" him. You dont know shit about shit. Its nothing factual about anything in your post, in fact its all wrong. How the hell do you hide a player who throws for 3500 yards, 25 TDs and 6 int and the 6th best QB rating in the league? He had one less pass attempt, 6 less 20+ yard completions (48) and the same amount of 40+ yard completions (10) than Aaron Rodgers. I guess GB hid Rodgers as well.

Also, its hilarious that you dickheads are trying to base your whole "he doesnt deserve the top 100" argument on Freeman having one good year when you argued me down about McFadden being a top 100 player over T.O based on one good season after 2 shitty years. Contradict much?

This thread sucks. Blick and BigBucs have been more ridiculous than usual.
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We speaking facts. You all speaking on shit you all apparently have 0 clue about.

 

[Senser81]

Also, its hilarious that you dickheads are trying to base your whole "he doesnt deserve the top 100" argument on Freeman having one good year when you argued me down about McFadden being a top 100 player over T.O based on one good season after 2 shitty years. Contradict much?

No, those were two different arguments. I asked if it was just based on last year, or if it was career-related. McFadden over Owens based on last year is a no-brainer, except, of course, to you. I think Freeman over Owens based on last year is also a no-brainer, FWIW.

Its funny, because I actually liked Freeman last year. I thought he'd be a bust when he was drafted, and he's really surprised me. He looked poised when I saw him play. I'm just not ready to say he's a top 100 player yet. If he has another 25 TD 6 INT year next season, then perhaps.

 

[BigBucs]

No, those were two different arguments. I asked if it was just based on last year, or if it was career-related. McFadden over Owens based on last year is a no-brainer, except, of course, to you. I think Freeman over Owens based on last year is also a no-brainer, FWIW.

Its funny, because I actually liked Freeman last year. I thought he'd be a bust when he was drafted, and he's really surprised me. He looked poised when I saw him play. I'm just not ready to say he's a top 100 player yet. If he has another 25 TD 6 INT year next season, then perhaps.

For a person who cant comprehend "Top 100 players of 2011" your sure as hell act like you know it all.

You just sat up here and argued me down about T.O. being on the list and why is he higher than McFadden. You gave me a million reasons why McFadden should be on the list and why he should be higher than T.O. after one fucking good season.

As soon as it was officially revealed that Free was on the list you immediately started to shit on him. Meanwhile you are telling me McFadden is one of the leagues best players after one season while doing everything you can to discredit Free. And somehow Im supposed to believe you liked him.

You are ready to come out guns blazing making a case for McFadden being a top 100 player as a RB but Freeman needs to put up another season as one of the top rated QBs in the league for you to give him your blessing?

Please shut the fuck up.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

For a person who cant comprehend "Top 100 players of 2011" your sure as hell act like you know it all.

You just sat up here and argued me down about T.O. being on the list and why is he higher than McFadden. You gave me a million reasons why McFadden should be on the list and why he should be higher than T.O. after one fucking good season.

As soon as it was officially revealed that Free was on the list you immediately started to shit on him. Meanwhile you are telling me McFadden is one of the leagues best players after one season while doing everything you can to discredit Free. And somehow Im supposed to believe you liked him.

You are ready to come out guns blazing making a case for McFadden being a top 100 player as a RB but Freeman needs to put up another season as one of the top rated QBs in the league for you to give him your blessing?

Please shut the fuck up.

valid. awaits response opcorn:

 

[shag773]

For a person who cant comprehend "Top 100 players of 2011" your sure as hell act like you know it all.

You just sat up here and argued me down about T.O. being on the list and why is he higher than McFadden. You gave me a million reasons why McFadden should be on the list and why he should be higher than T.O. after one fucking good season.

As soon as it was officially revealed that Free was on the list you immediately started to shit on him. Meanwhile you are telling me McFadden is one of the leagues best players after one season while doing everything you can to discredit Free. And somehow Im supposed to believe you liked him.

You are ready to come out guns blazing making a case for McFadden being a top 100 player as a RB but Freeman needs to put up another season as one of the top rated QBs in the league for you to give him your blessing?

Please shut the fuck up.

valid. awaits response opcorn:

I read this and I had to respond. I don't know and really don't give a fuck if Freeman is a top 100 player or not, but are you really trying to compare the year Mcfadden had vs Freeman?

McFadden Rushed for 1150 yards, almost 1700 total yards, 10 TD's and also led the league in runs of 20+ yards, all while splitting carries for a good part of the year. He also put up these numbers in 13 games.

Freeman had a good year. He did what he was asked to do, which was manage the game and don't make any mistakes. But how does a starting QB go an entire year without a 300 yard passing game in today's NFL? He was in the bottom half of the league in pass attempts and yards per game. Which tells me the passing game wasn't even the focal point of the offense.

It's a silly argument.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I read this and I had to respond. I don't know and really don't give a fuck if Freeman is a top 100 player or not, but are you really trying to compare the year Mcfadden had vs Freeman?

McFadden Rushed for 1150 yards, almost 1700 total yards, 10 TD's and also led the league in runs of 20+ yards, all while splitting carries for a good part of the year. He also put up these numbers in 13 games.

Freeman had a good year. He did what he was asked to do, which was manage the game and don't make any mistakes. But how does a starting QB go an entire year without a 300 yard passing game in today's NFL? He was in the bottom half of the league in pass attempts and yards per game. Which tells me the passing game wasn't even the focal point of the offense.

It's a silly argument.

To his credit, Freeman had several come from behind wins and 2-minute drill wins. But you are correct, no matter how bigbucs wants to spin it, this was a run first team (especially when Blount established himself as the primary back) who for the most part played close to the vest and tried to win close games.

I never saw Freeman dominate a game. He was never the best player on the field. McFadden, fwiw, had several dominant performances (especially early in the season) and took over games. McFadden's best games shit on Freeman's best games, and he was the best RB in the league the first half of the season. I'm comfortable with him being top 100.

Again, Freeman did a nice job, but I find it hard to believe he can repeat the same success, simply based on normalization of some of his statistics, such as as his TD/INT and red zone TO rate. And when you strip away some of those impressive numbers, what do you have? A game manager who doesn't have dominant performances who is never the best player on the field. You can't say that about the other top QB's. He isn't there yet.

 

[Blick]

Freeman had a good year. He did what he was asked to do, which was manage the game and don't make any mistakes. But how does a starting QB go an entire year without a 300 yard passing game in today's NFL? He was in the bottom half of the league in pass attempts and yards per game. Which tells me the passing game wasn't even the focal point of the offense.

If the lack of 300 yard passing games is the best negative you guys can find on the guy, then I think he's doing alright. Roethlisberger, the QB Freeman gets compared to, only had two 300 yard games in his first 2 years in the league. Why are 300 yard games so important anyway? Is he hurting your fantasy team? Call me when the league makes rule changes to award points for 300 yard games. When J Free went 21-26 against Seattle with 5 TD's, I guess it was an unimpressive game because he only threw for 237. :edlover:

He was in the top half of the league in pass attempts and yards. Going to per game numbers penalizes Freeman for starting and playing in every game, something the guys who pushed Freeman to the bottom part of the league in per game averages didn't do.