PSU Freeh Report: Leaders Concealed Information & Did Not Act to Help Kids

[Warner2BruceTD]

it doesnt matter if those people are gone. the school put these people in charge, these people represented Penn St, they allowed children to be raped...therefore the school allowed children to be raped

The Death Penalty is awful harsh but the NCAA does need to make an example out of stuff like this to show that it absolutely won't be tolerated. Putting a fucking game ahead of the well being of children is terrible. It doesn't matter if any of those involved are at the school or not, the program needs to be punished.

My problem with the "death penalty", is that who exactly are you 'teaching a lesson' to? The people responsible are either dead, in prison for 440 years, or about to be in prison. They fired everybody else, including the entire coaching staff.

So what or who would you be punishing? Brick & mortar? The idea of Penn St football? A dead guy?

To me, this is no longer a football issue. A death penalty makes no sense, and the NCAA has no place in this because it's a criminal investigation being handled by the people who need to handle it. Call the NCAA if they were changing grades or paying players. This is child rape, and people are concerned about football? I don't even think they should lose scholarships. I mean, who the fuck cares about scholarships? That nonsense is for improper benefits and football cheaters. Punishing the football program comes off petty, trite, and silly at this point. Put the rest of these fuckers in prison, that's what matters.

I just don't see what punishing a bunch of people who had nothing to do with this accomplishes. It's misplaced rage.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Penn St probably should have shut down their season last year, or at least refused the bowl invite.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

This goes so far beyond a lack of institutional control, this is an institution that aided and abetted in the destruction of child safety in and around the Penn State program and used their position to put themselves in the homes of tens of thousands of at-risk youths...basically, putting more children in danger than any institution this world has seen. They were essentially supporting a child sex trafficking scheme...

However, the NCAA will do nothing...

Hopefully, parents determine the ultimate judgement for Penn State...don't send your kids to this pedo supporting school. Grad rates can hit 8%, and the can have their accreditation taken away. To San Jose State level!

Pedo State Nittany Bears.

They should close the whole thing down.

 

[Maynard]

Penn St probably should have shut down their season last year, or at least refused the bowl invite.

a bowl invite? that should be the schools punishment for allowing children to be raped?

the school is responsible. the school hired these people to represent penn st. Their entire being, reputation and everything we know about Penn St is due to the people they put in charge. How can you say that the school inst responsible for the actions of the people they based their entire exsistance upon?

lets think of this on a smaller scale. Lets say i manage a moving company and I hire Joe Smith as my employee. Joe Smith works for me for 10 years and does a great job and is my most trusted employee. Then I find out Joe is robbing homes while moving peoples belongings.....Right there, as owner, i am responsible because my employee committed crimes while he was on the clock working for me.

But lets say I like Joe alot and I dont report his crimes. Now I am an accomplice...but Joe keep robbing people for the next 10 years while working for me. A few people report it but I do nothing because Joe is such a great worker and I like all the great things he brings to my companys reputation. Finally one day Joe is caught and prosecuted and they find out I knew about it and did nothing for 10 years while this went on.

Not only would I be prosecuted, but the company I managed would be sued and most likely got out of business.

Well, i am sure the school will be sued....the going out of business part will be up to the ncaa. imo, they should be shut down due to the severity and cover up of these crimes by the people they allowed to run their university

 

[shag773]

I'm glad to see that most of you have kept what has come out within it's proper perspective. However, just a few things...

First off, there are questions as to whether the NCAA even has the power to do anything to the program much less institute the death penalty. However I don't know if the recent findings about Paterno's role changes that. Personally, I don't see how you can give the death penalty here. They were pretty swift in removing all parties involved once all this came out. But I wouldn't be surprised if sanctions were set in place.

Secondly, I don't think it was too much to ask to wait until an investigation was completed to draw a conclusion. As I said in the trial thread, it turns out most of you were right, and Paterno was more involved than a lot of people even thought. I said I would discontinue my support for Paterno if the report implicated him in the cover up, and the report certainly did that. I am not going to defend his or anyone else's actions.

And lastly, I just want to say that I am still a proud Penn State fan. I still think it's a great university with enormous support from alumni. I believe we'll get through this still standing (sorry Larry).

 

[Prodigal Son]

A better analogy would be you creating a company. Then hiring someone else to run it. This person hires people who during their time there commit crimes. He knows that the crimes are being committed and hides this fact from you, and never lets it be known that this is happening. Then one of the people gets busted, and the shit hits the fan. Everyone you have at the top of this company is involved, and you are now finding out the severity.

In reality, this is a criminal case. This isn't lack of institutional control. This is a bunch of grown men getting together, allowing a pedophile do as he pleases.

 

[Maynard]

i just dont understand your thinking when you say this isnt a lack of institutional control. that is your opinion and your entitled, but these are the top officials at the school. When the top officials at the school are involved in a conspiracy to cover up criminal behavior for over 10 years, to me that is the definition of a loss of institutional control

 

[FedEx227]

Hey guys, let's wait for more facts. Joe Paterno is an upstanding pillar of morality who deserves the benefit of the doubt because he is a MOLDER OF MEN.

Remember when I was a total asshole a few months back for insinuating that there's no way Paterno with all his power did enough to prevent these crimes? Boy is my face red.

 

[FedEx227]

Penn St probably should have shut down their season last year, or at least refused the bowl invite.

I don't recall, but weren't you one of the people that told me that was stupid when I brought up the fact that they should stop playing or at the very least not go to a bowl game?

 

[shag773]

Remember when I was a total asshole a few months back for insinuating that there's no way Paterno with all his power did enough to prevent these crimes? Boy is my face red.

No, I don't.

 

[FedEx227]

Here's my biggest complaint about how people reacted initially and are still in ways reacting. You really didn't know/think that Paterno had total power over that program and University? You really needed all of this to come out to realize the demi-god status he was allowed on that campus?

That's why NAHSTE, I and a few others took the immediate stance of Paterno didn't do enough because there's simply no rational way to think that someone with that amount of power would: A) not know of the crimes B) not put a total stop to it if/when he wanted to.

You can look back at numerous non-child rape cases over the past 15 years to know what type of status Paterno had. From him being fired, saying no and getting his job back, to campus crimes being covered up, etc. it shouldn't have taken a 250 page report for you to assume that Paterno had way too much power over that University.

Edit: ralaw was money in that thread too.

 

[Maynard]

along those lines it would be naive to think the buck stops with the 4 high powered officials being mentioned. the line of people who knew and didnt do anything would be significant if ever investigated

 

[FedEx227]

No, I don't.

Sorry not asshole but sanctimonious fuck.

I knew this was coming. I even called for it. But what really burns my ass are all the Monday Morning quarterbacks that have a microphone or a keyboard, get up on their high horse and pass judgement on a situation they would never be able to handle on their best fucking day.

It kind of reminds me of Dumb and Dumber, when Lloyd Christmas was driving down the road and put himself in different scenarios where he was the funniest guy in the room, or the toughest guy in the room, or could fuck like a champ. It seems when a situation like this arises, it's so easy for everyone to step up and have these images of granduer where you would be the point man of justice, and if you were in his shoes it would have gone differently.

The fact of the matter is none of you fuckers, including me, will ever experience 1% of what his responsibility was, or the expectations he had to live up to. Most of you when faced with this situation would piss your fucking pants and be looking for the nearest exit.

So go ahead, shit all over the guy, wish him dead, pray his family dies of AIDS, whatever. I just pray you're never in his position you sanctimonious fucks.

mg:

 

[jeffx]

Paterno did many wonderful things, but for me, his legacy is tainted because of one bad decision - a decision that ruined lives. Had he used his power and done the right thing in 1998, he would have been a bigger hero. I wonder what the Gang of Four would have done if Sandusky was in the shower with a child they knew or were related to.

And I really don't want to hear from Jay Paterno and former players like Matt Millen. They can miss me with their bullshit.

 

[jeffx]

Paterno did many wonderful things, but for me, his legacy is tainted because of one bad decision - a decision that ruined lives. Had he used his power and done the right thing in 1998, he would have been a bigger hero. I wonder what the Gang of Four would have done if Sandusky was in the shower with a child they knew or were related to.

And I really don't want to hear from Jay Paterno and former players like Matt Millen. They can miss me with their bullshit.

 

[NAHSTE]

Just so we are all clear ...

Changing grades or players selling their own property = punishable by the NCAA

school-sanctioned serial child rape = not punishable by the NCAA

That makes lots of sense.

 

[FedEx227]

This report shows while he may have done a lot of wonderful things, he was an enabler in things well beyond Sandusky. He was a constant burden to authorities of the University in disciplinary manners regarding his players.

 

[Rayman]

Paterno did many wonderful things, but for me, his legacy is tainted because of one bad decision - a decision that ruined lives. Had he used his power and done the right thing in 1998, he would have been a bigger hero. I wonder what the Gang of Four would have done if Sandusky was in the shower with a child they knew or were related to.

And I really don't want to hear from Jay Paterno and former players like Matt Millen. They can miss me with their bullshit.

Agreed, except that it wasn't just one bad decision. It was the same decision over and over and over again.

 

[FedEx227]

Bingo. The biggest issue is Sandusky, but there is more than that in this report. The report clearly shows how out of control college football coaches who win a lot of games can be. It's a warning to all of college athletics and a big reason why I think the NCAA has to do SOMETHING in the wake of this. Maybe not death penalty but something has to be done at the top level of college athletics.

 

[shag773]

Sorry not asshole but sanctimonious fuck.



mg:

I think I posted that right after he was fired. I was pretty pissed off and I was venting. But I'm fairly sure I calmed down after that and tried to be a little more level headed.

I apologize for calling anyone a sanctimonious fuck.

But I'm not going to apologize for giving him the benefit of the doubt. I've been a Joe Paterno fan my entire life, and I believed in what I thought he stood for. I admit I was duped into thinking he was something he wasn't, and at this point I'm hurt and disappointed.

Now please, continue with the :smug: