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PSU Freeh Report: Leaders Concealed Information & Did Not Act to Help Kids

Just saw ESPN interviewing his son and him saying how its just one chapter.....yeah, but it's a big ass chapter. Simpson was known for his HOF career before killing two people (allegedly) and now everyone knows him for the white bronco. O.J. killed 2 people, who happened to have a HOF career. Joe Pa allowed children's lives to be ruined, who was at Penn State for X years and won X # of games.
 
Just saw ESPN interviewing his son and him saying how its just one chapter.....yeah, but it's a big ass chapter. Simpson was known for his HOF career before killing two people (allegedly) and now everyone knows him for the white bronco. O.J. killed 2 people, who happened to have a HOF career. Joe Pa allowed children's lives to be ruined, who was at Penn State for X years and won X # of games.

Speaking as one of the only PSU fans here addressing this, let me just say this..

 
Jay, please shut the fuck up..
 
Just so we are all clear ...

Changing grades or players selling their own property = punishable by the NCAA

school-sanctioned serial child rape = not punishable by the NCAA

That makes lots of sense.

"School sanctioned rape" is punishable by prison.

Not an NCAA issue, nor should it be. Bigger than a silly football team.

And again, everybody is gone. What exactly are we punishing with sanctions, intangible things like ideas?
 
"School sanctioned rape" is punishable by prison.

Not an NCAA issue, nor should it be. Bigger than a silly football team.

And again, everybody is gone. What exactly are we punishing with sanctions, intangible things like ideas?

you keep with this way of thinking and im gonna start calling you ramjackson :)
 
"School sanctioned rape" is punishable by prison.

Not an NCAA issue, nor should it be. Bigger than a silly football team.

And again, everybody is gone.

True. Everyone knows that as long as the perpetrators of a violation are no longer affiliated with a university, the NCAA drops all charges against said university...

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"School sanctioned rape" is punishable by prison.

Not an NCAA issue, nor should it be. Bigger than a silly football team.

And again, everybody is gone. What exactly are we punishing with sanctions, intangible things like ideas?

Then disband the NCAA. If it can't punish a University or a University's football program for putting their team and their program in front of federal crimes it shows a real lack of perspective. It really proves once and for all that the NCAA has no concept of reality in regards to the power athletic programs hold over big D1 schools.
 
True. Everyone knows that as long as the perpetrators of a violation are no longer affiliated with a university, the NCAA drops all charges against said university...

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Horrible example again.

The Penn St situation is a criminal case, the NCAA has no power here, and should have no power here. Their job is to handle shit that effects the playing field. Small potatoes compared to a criminal case involving child rape.

Those involved are already being punished. Throwing sanctions on Bill O'Brien accomplishes what, exactly? And based on what grounds? If a football coach commits armed robbery, do we punish the football team? How about a string of DUI's? Not the NCAA's role.

Child rape is like the worst thing you can do, and it triggers something in our brains. I get it. But the NCAA has no jurisdiction over criminal issues that do not in some way improperly benefit the on field product, nor should they. This isnt a competition issue.
 
EVERYONE IS GONE. PROBLEM SOLVED. PERVASIVE AND SYSTEM-WIDE CORRUPTION NO MORE.

What if Sandusky robbed a bank, and it was covered up. And Penn St fired everybody. All facts remain the same, except replace "child rape" with "bank robberies".

Are you still putting the footballl team out of business?
 
Horrible example again.

The Penn St situation is a criminal case, the NCAA has no power here, and should have no power here. Their job is to handle shit that effects the playing field. Small potatoes compared to a criminal case involving child rape.

Those involved are already being punished. Throwing sanctions on Bill O'Brien accomplishes what, exactly? And based on what grounds? If a football coach commits armed robbery, do we punish the football team? How about a string of DUI's? Not the NCAA's role.

Child rape is like the worst thing you can do, and it triggers something in our brains. I get it. But the NCAA has no jurisdiction over criminal issues that do not in some way improperly benefit the on field product, nor should they. This isnt a competition issue.
Bad examples on your part IMO.

It's not that the rapes occurred from the NCAA perspective, it's that the athletic program used their clout and pull at the school to cover them up and conceal them. yeah the NCAA can't technically punish PSU for the rapes themselves but they sure as hell can punish the school/football team for their part in covering them up. There's a difference.
 
Horrible example again.

The Penn St situation is a criminal case, the NCAA has no power here, and should have no power here. Their job is to handle shit that effects the playing field. Small potatoes compared to a criminal case involving child rape.

Those involved are already being punished. Throwing sanctions on Bill O'Brien accomplishes what, exactly? And based on what grounds? If a football coach commits armed robbery, do we punish the football team? How about a string of DUI's? Not the NCAA's role.

Child rape is like the worst thing you can do, and it triggers something in our brains. I get it. But the NCAA has no jurisdiction over criminal issues that do not in some way improperly benefit the on field product, nor should they. This isnt a competition issue.

perhaps it will make these universities, organizations, and corporations take a moment and rethink covering up criminal activity for the sake of revenue and reputation. Maybe next time they will opt to report it instead of allowing 10+ years of child rape to take place
 
Bad examples on your part IMO.

It's not that the rapes occurred from the NCAA perspective, it's that the athletic program used their clout and pull at the school to cover them up and conceal them. yeah the NCAA can't technically punish PSU for the rapes themselves but they sure as hell can punish the school/football team for their part in covering them up. There's a difference.

I guess my disconnect here is I don't really care about the football team at this point, and don't see what sanctions would accomplish. Sanctions are for cheaters, which is small time compared to what we have here. Seems petty to me.

I wouldn't lose sleep if the NCAA came down on Penn St, but I don't think it's their place to do so in this case.

And there is precedent for what I am saying, because the NCAA always goes easier on schools when they clean house on their own before the NCAA sticks their nose in.

Where is the precedent for the NCAA getting involved in a criminal case?
 
perhaps it will make these universities, organizations, and corporations take a moment and rethink covering up criminal activity for the sake of revenue and reputation. Maybe next time they will opt to report it instead of allowing 10+ years of child rape to take place

Ah yes, i'm sure school presidents everywhere would then, and only then, realize that covering up child rape is bad, because it could result in the football team being punished.

Do you see how silly that sentence sounds? This is bigger than football, and I don't think that message needs to be sent.
 
I guess my disconnect here is I don't really care about the football team at this point, and don't see what sanctions would accomplish. Sanctions are for cheaters, which is small time compared to what we have here. Seems petty to me.

I wouldn't lose sleep if the NCAA came down on Penn St, but I don't think it's their place to do so in this case.

And there is precedent for what I am saying, because the NCAA always goes easier on schools when they clean house on their own before the NCAA sticks their nose in.

Where is the precedent for the NCAA getting involved in a criminal case?

Paying a potential student-athlete = NCAA intervention.
Raping many potential student-athletes = NCAA intervention unneeded because its too big for them.

Gotcha.
 
What about where the rapes took place? In the PSU facilities.....campus.....NCAA jurisidiction.??

Penn St. = Linbacker U....Sandusky = LB coach.
No Sundusky = no top LB recruits?

:kanye:
 
Article on the LA Times on whether or not the NCAA has the power to sanction PSU

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-penn-state-ncaa-20120713,0,5898176.story

By Baxter Holmes
July 12, 2012, 8:21 p.m.
The much-anticipated Freeh Report, released Thursday, determined that the leadership at Penn State concealed allegations of sexual assaults against children involving former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky in order to protect the school and its flagship athletic program. Before that, the courts had acted, putting Sandusky behind bars. And the school's Board of Trustees cleaned house long ago.

So, could the NCAA be next to act?

In a statement Thursday, an NCAA spokesman said Penn State must still answer key questions posed by the NCAA concerning compliance with NCAA bylaws: institutional control, ethics policies and the policies and procedures it has in place to monitor, prevent and detect issues raised in a grand jury report on the scandal.

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"Penn State's response to the letter will inform our next steps, including whether or not to take action," wrote Bob Williams, the NCAA's vice president of communications.

Michael McCann, director of the Sports Law Institute at Vermont Law School, said the Freeh Report, which details an in-depth investigation led by former FBI chief Louis Freeh, creates a compelling case for the NCAA to sanction Penn State for "lack of institutional control."

Other experts say that if the NCAA's enforcement staff were to become heavily involved in what has largely been a criminal investigation, it could set a new and troubling precedent for how the NCAA polices schools.

"The NCAA works to manage collegiate competition," said Jo Potuto, a former NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions chairwoman who is a professor of constitutional law at the University of Nebraska College of Law. "It's not an association in which the national office is supposed to be a hall monitor for everything that occurs on a campus."

Potuto said that because the Penn State scandal occurred within the football program and on its premises, it is connected to athletics, although the underlying violations are not.

In past situations intertwining athletics and criminal activity, the NCAA became involved only when NCAA rules were violated, Potuto said. The 2003 murder of Baylor basketball player Patrick Dennehy by a teammate is one example.

DOCUMENT: Paterno, Penn State failed in Sandusky case, report finds

"When the NCAA enforcement process was triggered there, it wasn't because that player was killed by another player on the team," Potuto said. "It was because the coach paid players under the table."

The NCAA responded with sanctions that crippled Baylor's men's basketball program for several years.

Michael Buckner, a Florida lawyer who has represented schools in NCAA infractions cases, said Penn State would become an NCAA rules-violation case only if NCAA President Mark Emmert "wants to stretch the rules to where they've never been stretched before."

Rather than punishing Penn State for failing to properly monitor its athletic program or, worse, citing the university for lack of institutional control, the NCAA might focus on whether school officials acted ethically.

"It seems that Louis Freeh and the people on the investigative team believe, because that it was football and because that it was a powerful coach, that the investigation didn't go forward," Potuto said. "Now that is something that is a matter of NCAA responsibility for college athletics that should be looked at."

The depth of the Penn State scandal has put the NCAA under tremendous public pressure to act, experts say.

"The NCAA is faced with a public relations issue more than everything else, because everybody thinks they should do something," said Richard Southall, director of the College Sport Research Institute at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

Added McCann: "I think people would question the creditability of the NCAA if it did nothing while it dwelled on [other] issues that by comparison seem very unimportant."

Potuto recommended a cautious approach, lest the NCAA find itself on a slippery slope. "If this is a move the NCAA wants to make, I think everybody needs to be really careful in articulating why and how this needs to happen," she said.

"It's really opening a door to a lot more authority in areas of responsibility for the NCAA, and I'm not sure that's where universities want to go or should go."

She added: "There's a famous quote from law that 'Hard cases make bad law.'

"This strikes me to be one where that's what's going on."

baxter.holmes@latimes.com
 
Let's put this hypothetical out there. I'm 16 years old and I'm being investigated for murder.

By your example my mom is not going to punish me, not going to do anything to me, let me play with my friends, let me use the car, hang out wherever we want, etc while we wait for the investigators to come after me for murder. That's beyond silly. Essentially you're saying a crime is TOO large for the NCAA which essentially says the NCAA is completely worthless and needs to go away.

If USC isn't allowed to play games because they gave money to a player but Penn State IS allowed to play games while the University and football program covered up 15+ years of child molestation, there's a HUGE issue there. HUGE.

With that said, PSU should embrace a death penalty or at least a cool off period. Yeah, financially it's crippling, but their culture is going to be playing catch up constantly. The current culture of their football program is still embedded in Paterno, while that will go away after years, I think a cool down period or a little "time out" would allow them to really clean it up from top to bottom and emerge.
 
My stance remains the same.

Penn St removed everybody involved, and the courts will handle the rest.

Not a competition issue, therefore, not an NCAA issue.

Whether Penn St themselves should perhaps put football to sleep on their own is a separate debate. All i'm saying is this is no place for the NCAA, and I think the term 'child rape' is triggering emotion out of people that is causing them to lose some perspective.
 
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