PSU Freeh Report: Leaders Concealed Information & Did Not Act to Help Kids

[SethMode]

And that may be what happens. We're using NCAA because from an athletic end but I think it's going to come from the Department of Education. If they decide to make an example out of PSU it could be real harsh.

Eh, I doubt that very much. You realize how big Penn State is, right? Not just State College, but the branch campus'? That would be a death penalty for quite possibly the entire state. I would be SHOCKED if the Department of Education did something so drastic and harsh, personally.

 

[Rayman]

You know, the more I think about it, maybe the death penalty isn't quite the way to go.

There should be some hardcore sanctions, but let them keep the program.

Reason I say this is the last thing I want is for people to garner sympathy for Penn State and it's becoming more and more clear from all the conversations that I've had that if the death penalty were handed down, the university would be seen as a bunch of martyrs. Then when they're finally allowed back into big time competition, it'll play out like "We Are Marshall" or something like that.

Fuck that shit. Sanction the shit out of them, but let them hang around at a disadvantage compared to the rest of the Big Ten and let them keep the stigma of being "that school that lets pedophiles run rampant".

 

[Len B]

I'm with W2B on this one. The NCAA is not a body that has absolute power when it comes to things like this. This is a criminal case.

Those who committed criminal acts are being dealt with by the proper authorities. Penn State is going to be hit with a TREMENDOUS civil lawsuit that they will have to pay, and the football program will face many hurdles and issues in maintaining its prestige. Coming in and giving them sanctions or a death penalty is outside of the scope that NCAA works within in this situation. It's not like everything is Pleasantville at the University and everyone has moved on without any consequences.

People seem to think that if the NCAA doesn't do anything, they support locking down forged transcripts more than raping children, which obviously isn't the case. If the NCAA had complete control in this situation, and was able to be the sole arbiter, you'd be opening up an incredibly sticky situation.

 

[NAHSTE]

I'm with W2B on this one. The NCAA is not a body that has absolute power when it comes to things like this. This is a criminal case.

Those who committed criminal acts are being dealt with by the proper authorities. Penn State is going to be hit with a TREMENDOUS civil lawsuit that they will have to pay, and the football program will face many hurdles and issues in maintaining its prestige. Coming in and giving them sanctions or a death penalty is outside of the scope that NCAA works within in this situation. It's not like everything is Pleasantville at the University and everyone has moved on without any consequences.

People seem to think that if the NCAA doesn't do anything, they support locking down forged transcripts more than raping children, which obviously isn't the case. If the NCAA had complete control in this situation, and was able to be the sole arbiter, you'd be opening up an incredibly sticky situation.

You don't think Penn State employing a known child rapist for 20 years is an NCAA compliance issue?

Rape is a criminal act, not reporting child molestation is a criminal act ... I agree the NCAA shouldn't have jurisdiction in those matters.

But the NCAA can definitely within reason argue that an athletic department continuously conspiring to obstruct federal law is a violation of their compliance policy. And that is to say nothing of the countless other examples of Paterno thwarting criminal investigations which are revealed in the report, going back two decades.

NCAA doesn't take too kindly to repeat offenders. That's the quickest route to having the "Lack of Institutional Control" label slapped on you.

No, I don't think they should get the death penalty, but a TV- and postseason-ban would suffice.

 

[Len B]

You don't think Penn State employing a known child rapist for 20 years is an NCAA compliance issue?

Rape is a criminal act, not reporting child molestation is a criminal act ... I agree the NCAA shouldn't have jurisdiction in those matters.

But the NCAA can definitely within reason argue that an athletic department continuously conspiring to obstruct federal law is a violation of their compliance policy. And that is to say nothing of the countless other examples of Paterno thwarting criminal investigations which are revealed in the report, going back two decades.

NCAA doesn't take too kindly to repeat offenders. That's the quickest route to having the "Lack of Institutional Control" label slapped on you.

No, I don't think they should get the death penalty, but a TV- and postseason-ban would suffice.

Hiding information about a federal crime should be handled by the governing body that handles federal crime, not the NCAA compliance department. Obstructing federal law is something the feds deal with, not the NCAA. If Penn State were conspiring to obstruct against the NCAA (such as academic scores), then the NCAA could roast their ass.

Who are you punishing by instituting a post season ban? And why are you punishing them? It seems like the ideology on this is to just burn everything we possibly can, just because of the type of crime that was committed.

 

[NAHSTE]

Who are you punishing by instituting a post season ban?

The football program that Joe Paterno let children get raped for.

And why are you punishing them?

Because they as a university actively chose for 20 years that having a famous and profitable football program was more important than stopping a 60 year old man from butt raping children. Why should they continue to be allowed to capitalize off of their football success, when it was more or less an instrument of pure evil?

No games on TV for Penn State. They don't deserve the attention or the money. Plus I don't know about you, but I could do without hearing the dozens of canned "this is about the victims" quotes from blue clad student government dipshits on ESPN every weekend.

 

[JimLeavy59]

You guys are missing the point, Pedo State covered this stuff up to protect the Football program to make sure recruits weren't scared away you think guys like Tamba Hali,Levi Brown,Aaron Maybin and countless other recruits would have still gone to Penn State if this shit came out in 1998 or anytime after that?

 

[NAHSTE]

You guys are missing the point, Pedo State covered this stuff up to protect the Football program to make sure recruits weren't scared away you think guys like Tamba Hali,Levi Brown,Aaron Maybin and countless other recruits would have still gone to Penn State if this shit came out in 1998 or anytime after that?

Ahem... this has NOTHING to do with football. Don't you get it? Just a criminal issue, brah. No football to be seen here.

No rapes occurring on bowl trips or anything while a child was under the official custody of Penn State football staff ...

:tiptoe:

 

[JimLeavy59]

Ahem... this has NOTHING to do with football. Don't you get it? Just a criminal issue, brah. No football to be seen here.

No rapes occurring on bowl trips or anything while a child was under the official custody of Pen State football staff ...

:tiptoe:

My bad I forgot.

 

[Len B]

You guys are missing the point, Pedo State covered this stuff up to protect the Football program to make sure recruits weren't scared away you think guys like Tamba Hali,Levi Brown,Aaron Maybin and countless other recruits would have still gone to Penn State if this shit came out in 1998 or anytime after that?

No one is missing the point, there is no right or wrong answer here. The actual point of making sure this never happens again and making sure those who did it were punished (which they are) and those who were affected are getting the help they need (which they are) is something we all agree on.

If the NCAA does nothing, odds are Penn State won't achieve the success they need to thrive for the next 10-20 years. If the NCAA bans them from postseason for 2 years, then they won't play in post season and no one will lose sleep over it. But of course, there has to be an answer for everything and people have to be right. Let's not forget they were already banned this past season. But if you really want to take away their TicketCity Bowl game for another year or two, go ahead.

Penn State's team isn't making any waves these next couple years anyway, so all you're doing is hitting the team financially. The civil law suits will already be doing that. IMHO this is all a moot point.

 

[EmpireWF]

Piece of shit Paterno.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/14/s...ract-amid-jerry-sandusky-inquiry.html?_r=1&hp

They report Paterno became aware that prosecutors were looking at Sandusky for sexual assault of boys in January 2011. He went on to testify in front of the grand jury and began negotiating with PSU to change his contract.

The deal was set to end after the end of the 2012 season. Instead, Paterno and PSU President reached a deal where Paterno would receive $3 Million after the 2011 season if he agreed to step down. Plus, interest-free loans totaling $350k the university gave to Paterno would be forgiven. Also, he'd have use of the PSU private plane and a luxury box at the school's stadium for 25-years for him and his family.

The PSU Board of Trustees did not know about the arrangement until November, after Sandusky was arrested.

In the end, the board of trustees — bombarded with hate mail and threatened with a defamation lawsuit by Mr. Paterno’s family — gave the family virtually everything it wanted, with a package worth roughly $5.5 million. Documents show that the board even tossed in some extras that the family demanded, like the use of specialized hydrotherapy massage equipment for Mr. Paterno’s wife at the university’s Lasch Building, where Mr. Sandusky had molested a number of his victims.

This guy was a piece of work.

 

[jeffx]

^ Wow. He knew what was coming and wanted out before the shit hit the fan.

 

[NAHSTE]

Hey guys he was just a clueless old man who was too old and senile to know how horrific these crimes really were!

He wasn't a heartless, calculating, devious scumbag at all!

:arrieta:

 

[Youk]

After years of being able to cover-up little campus issues with players, Paterno thought he could just pull this one off. I'm sure none of these guys knew the extent of what Sandusky had done, but that shouldn't matter. That's where they went wrong, thinking that it would just be one or two people and it could just be swept under the rug. This sort of this should never be swept under the rug. If they thought it would come out eventually, they never would have even thought of doing what they did, since they only covered it up to make sure Penn State avoided the PR issues. Now the PR issues are even worse.

A real shame for everyone involved. Years and years of a legacy ruined by greed and idiocy.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Hey guys he was just a clueless old man who was too old and senile to know how horrific these crimes really were!

He wasn't a heartless, calculating, devious scumbag at all!

:arrieta:

I understand this is the internet where we have to take opinions to the extreme, but the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

I suspect early on that the idea was to bury all of this after the 1998 investigation (hence the "shocking" retirement of Sandusky), but Sandusky was such a brazen, serial offender that everything eventually spiraled out of control.

The serious lack of judgement was allowing Sandusky to keep hanging around, and then showing a complete loss of good judgement when he was still allowed to hang around after the 2001 incident. The longer it went, the deeper the shit they all knew they were in, so, well, they kept it going.

Paterno probably figured early on that it was best for all parties for this thing to just quietly go away. And to be honest, that investigation in 1998 didn't net a single charge, so I don't have a major problem with that. The problem, is instead of just forcing Sandusky out, they should have shunned him from the campus, and that was the major failure here. Everything that happened after fell into "save your own ass" territory, deeper and deeper each passing year, and is obviously inexcusable.

 

[NAHSTE]

. And to be honest, that investigation in 1998 didn't net a single charge,

Yeah, because they sabotaged the investigation. Penn State PD pulled the original psychologist off the case who said Sandusky had pedo tendencies, and replaced him with a guy who gave a non-criminal report. The DA cited the psychoanalsysis as the main obstacle in pressing charges.

That second psychologist worked for Penn State as an independent contractor for 5 more years after that.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Yeah, because they sabotaged the investigation. Penn State PD pulled the original psychologist off the case who said Sandusky had pedo tendencies, and replaced him with a guy who gave a non-criminal report. The DA cited that the psychoanalsysis was the main obstacle in pressing charges.

That second psychologist worked for Penn State as an independent contractor for 5 more years after that.

The D.A. also came up missing and is presumed dead, from what I recall.

 

[Villain]

Just so we are all clear ...

Changing grades or players selling their own property = punishable by the NCAA

school-sanctioned serial child rape = not punishable by the NCAA

That makes lots of sense.

:yep: The NCAA really doesn't need to get involved with what can and will be handled in civil and criminal court.

Just saw ESPN interviewing his son and him saying how its just one chapter.....yeah, but it's a big ass chapter. Simpson was known for his HOF career before killing two people (allegedly) and now everyone knows him for the white bronco. O.J. killed 2 people, who happened to have a HOF career. Joe Pa allowed children's lives to be ruined, who was at Penn State for X years and won X # of games.

Jay is just trying to rationalize things so that he can sleep at night and live with himself knowing full well that his father and idol fucked up royally. Hard to blame him, but yea, saying this shit on ESPN helps no one.

 

[JimLeavy59]

 

[Maynard]

Piece of shit Paterno.



This guy was a piece of work.

no, you had it right the first time