Sean Payton Suspended 1 Year, Saints Lose Pair of 2nd Round Picks

[Cornelius]

And lol@Cornelius telling me i'm missing the point, then thanking Maynard for a post which was nothing but a strawman argument full of counter points to points I never made in the first place that have nothing to do with the argument at hand.

Cornelius might be more dense than Zoneblitz.

I might be, but your argument to that case would probably be as retarded as your argument about NFL violence. You've always been off base, just more so lately. I can't even begin to understand where you are coming from. Please go make more slampig posts, those are the only thing worthwhile that you have ever managed to post.

Oh, and thanks for answering the questions I asked in that post.

 

[NAHSTE]

Remember guys, if you don't think players should be out there actively trying to injure each other, "your a pussy who doesn't like hard hits" ...

 

[Cornelius]

Remember guys, if you don't think players ARE out there actively trying to injure each other, "you're a pussy who doesn't understand the game" ...

fixed

 

[NAHSTE]

fixed

Quotation marks usually denote that the words belong to someone else. Thanks for correcting Maynard's grammar though.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

so basically, Cornelius has no point on the matter at hand, he's just mad that the overall Goodell saftey theme

 

[Cornelius]

so basically, Cornelius has no point on the matter at hand, he's just mad that the overall Goodell saftey theme

I agree with Maynard, Bucky, Zoneblitz, and TailbackU. Continue to be a total asshole and think that telling someone they are using straw man tactics all the while throwing out ad hominem attacks is totally fucking legit. :thumbsup: Just shows what a dipshit you are. Oh, and go make me a hot n ready.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I started varisty all 4 years, and made the playoffs all 4 years.

What school , who was your coach , what was y our ESPN QBR , where is your playbook ?

Isn't inflicting pain and causing injury essentially the same thing? I'm sure your not talking about a skinned knee or something. You're talking about knocking the shit out of someone. I guess I don't see a huge difference between "I'm going to put this motherfucker on his ass" and "I'm going to put this motherfucker out of the game". They are both pretty extreme attitudes to have, and both put the opponents in danger of serious injury. I guess that's where I don't see eye to eye with the rest of you.

Well for me at the time ((not knowing what we know now about head trauma)) inflicting pain included but wasnt limited to knocking the wind out of a guy , knocking him out , bloodying his nose , hitting him hard enough he'd have to sit out the next play or change his behavior. My intention was to out "man" him. For alot of guys one hit is enough to make them hesitant or enraged to the point theyre focusing on you and not the play. Either way my hitting them hard results in the same thing. X player is now a non factor. He doesnt need to be carted off for that to happen.

I played with people who wanted to go to work the next day. I could very easily try and twist a finger , aim for your ribs ,step on your ankle , pull down on the QB arm in motion , 'accidently' roll into your knee as your guy pushes me down, and all of it would take place during the normal legal part of a football play. But why ? I have plenty of opportunity to make your body hurt without trying to cost you days off of school/work or land you in a hospital. Scaled properly someone saying "Ill pay for your helmet and pads" and I probably would have swayed my morals in the heat of the moment.

 

[Tailback U]

What school , who was your coach , what was y our ESPN QBR , where is your playbook ?




Well for me at the time ((not knowing what we know now about head trauma)) inflicting pain included but wasnt limited to knocking the wind out of a guy , knocking him out , bloodying his nose , hitting him hard enough he'd have to sit out the next play or change his behavior. My intention was to out "man" him. For alot of guys one hit is enough to make them hesitant or enraged to the point theyre focusing on you and not the play. Either way my hitting them hard results in the same thing. X player is now a non factor. He doesnt need to be carted off for that to happen.

I played with people who wanted to go to work the next day. I could very easily try and twist a finger , aim for your ribs ,step on your ankle , pull down on the QB arm in motion , 'accidently' roll into your knee as your guy pushes me down, and all of it would take place during the normal legal part of a football play. But why ? I have plenty of opportunity to make your body hurt without trying to cost you days off of school/work or land you in a hospital. Scaled properly someone saying "Ill pay for your helmet and pads" and I probably would have swayed my morals in the heat of the moment.

You can play on my defense any day.

DSpydr, shag, Maynard, zone blitz, are welcome as well. Bucky can be our D coordinator cuz he has heart but he is old.

W2B is our QB, senser is the diva WR and FT is our Adam Vinatieri.

We'd never lose.

 

[Maynard]

Not sure what you are getting at here.

Are you saying the bounties are justified because the Saints win a lot of games? Please tell me you are not trying to make that point.

no, thats not what i am saying

instead of saying...make sure warner is carted off and we will give you $10,000....they could have said.....make sure warner is carted off and we will win the game.

that is the practice every other team uses. they dont pay their guys to take out other players, they just tell them to do it so they can win games. You think Belecheck isnt telling his players to do everything they can to knock out the other teams best players?

that was the NE gameplan vs the Rams in 2001...let them catch it, then kill them. Just because they didnt call it a bounty doesnt mean that it wasnt the exact same concept.

your point is that the saint used blood money and paid guys to injure the other teams stars. My point is that the Saints could have done the same thing, but not paid the players anything for the result, and it would have been within the same model every other team uses and has used since the NFL began

this is why this specific issue with the Saints is a joke. lets call a spade a spade. this isnt about the Saints going against the commish written requests. Its about the media and bad public relations that have been created. On top of the concussion issue, the James Harrison type hits, the fines, all the stuff the NFL is trying to clean up to avoid paying out huge chunks of money in the future.

 

[Maynard]

You can play on my defense any day.

DSpydr, shag, Maynard, zone blitz, are welcome as well. Bucky can be our D coordinator cuz he has heart but he is old.

W2B is our QB, senser is the diva WR and FT is our Adam Vinatieri.

We'd never lose.

shouldnt FT be Ray Finkle...i imagine he would be comfortable with his sack tucked back

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Some keep saying "well if the bounties didnt do anything, why did they exist"? Ill tell you why, its the same reason why many athletes have retarded & ridiculous superstitions & rituals. These players believe that having bounties might give them a slight edge, and thats why they do them. They are wrong & stupid for believing it gives them an edge, but just like their superstitions, they do it anyway without regard to the logic it lacks. If you believe the bounties caused them to play different, you might as well believe their superstitions cause them to play better too. Both views are equally stupid & not grounded in any logic.

The bounties could have been 25 cents, and the results would be the same. People have this reverse logic when it comes to the bounties. Players are not trying to crush opponents because of the bounties, its the other way around, the bounties are in place because the players want to crush opponents.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Some keep saying "well if the bounties didnt do anything, why did they exist"? Ill tell you why, its the same reason why many athletes have retarded & ridiculous superstitions & rituals. These players believe that having bounties might give them a slight edge, and thats why they do them. They are wrong & stupid for believing it gives them an edge, but just like their superstitions, they do it anyway without regard to the logic it lacks. If you believe the bounties caused them to play different, you might as well believe their superstitions cause them to play better too. Both views are equally stupid & not grounded in any logic.

The bounties could have been 25 cents, and the results would be the same. People have this reverse logic when it comes to the bounties. Players are not trying to crush opponents because of the bounties, its the other way around, the bounties are in place because the players want to crush opponents.

lol

 

[NAHSTE]

Some keep saying "well if the bounties didnt do anything, why did they exist"? Ill tell you why, its the same reason why many athletes have retarded & ridiculous superstitions & rituals. These players believe that having bounties might give them a slight edge, and thats why they do them. They are wrong & stupid for believing it gives them an edge, but just like their superstitions, they do it anyway without regard to the logic it lacks. If you believe the bounties caused them to play different, you might as well believe their superstitions cause them to play better too. Both views are equally stupid & not grounded in any logic.

The bounties could have been 25 cents, and the results would be the same. People have this reverse logic when it comes to the bounties. Players are not trying to crush opponents because of the bounties, its the other way around, the bounties are in place because the players want to crush opponents.

:virixwoy:

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Post all the lame smilies you lame ass motherfuckers want to...but im right.

 

[Maynard]

he didnt even come up with the idea for that smiley.

 

[bucky]

You can play on my defense any day.

DSpydr, shag, Maynard, zone blitz, are welcome as well. Bucky can be our D coordinator cuz he has heart but he is old.

W2B is our QB, senser is the diva WR and FT is our Adam Vinatieri.

We'd never lose.

Sadly, I'd get suspended by the commissioner for rewarding the player having the hardest game time hit with a day off from practice. My head coach, who knew about this, would also get suspended.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

What logical reason would someone have to put up a bounty when they know it makes absolutely no difference?

Same logical reason players have stupid superstitions and pre-game rituals.

 

[Senser81]

Some keep saying "well if the bounties didnt do anything, why did they exist"? Ill tell you why, its the same reason why many athletes have retarded & ridiculous superstitions & rituals. These players believe that having bounties might give them a slight edge, and thats why they do them. They are wrong & stupid for believing it gives them an edge, but just like their superstitions, they do it anyway without regard to the logic it lacks. If you believe the bounties caused them to play different, you might as well believe their superstitions cause them to play better too. Both views are equally stupid & not grounded in any logic.

So, the Saints having a bounty system designed to maim/injure opposing players is the same as a little girl carrying around a lucky rabbit's foot? Wow, I never thought of it like that. Makes sense.

And if Goodell wouldn't suspend a girl for carrying a lucky rabbit's foot, then how could he suspend anyone in the Saints organization? 'Tis an outrage.

 

[bucky]

So, the Saints having a bounty system designed to maim/injure opposing players is the same as a little girl carrying around a lucky rabbit's foot? Wow, I never thought of it like that. Makes sense.

And if Goodell wouldn't suspend a girl for carrying a lucky rabbit's foot, then how could he suspend anyone in the Saints organization? 'Tis an outrage.

I LOL'ed at superstition.

But a little side money incentive for playing physical is just another tool in the toolbox. If the little side money as an incentive for getting players to play more physical isn't their, the team, coaches would find another tool to use. As much as bounties are wrong and those caught should get penalized, I just don't see them changing the game all that much. The hits that injure will still happen, until rules are changed, and coaches, teams, will find other tools to incite the most physical play they can get out of their team.

The commish should come down on the Saints like he did. But a lot of this is a PR move.

Warner will say this is just stating the obvious, and it really is, but if you are really concerned about players safety, then push for better equipment and CHANGE THE FUCKING ON FIELD RULES to eliminate as many of the hits that bring a higher % of injury.

Senser, come back and say anything you want. Feelings won't be hurt. You're still one of my favs and have been ever since MM. I heart U DUDE.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

So, the Saints having a bounty system designed to maim/injure opposing players is the same as a little girl carrying around a lucky rabbit's foot? Wow, I never thought of it like that. Makes sense.

And if Goodell wouldn't suspend a girl for carrying a lucky rabbit's foot, then how could he suspend anyone in the Saints organization? 'Tis an outrage.

I didnt say the bounty WAS a superstition, because there isnt the element of luck. But its the same principle. You do something lacking in logic because you believe it gives you a slight edge. I think superstition isnt the best comparison, a better comparison is to pre-game rituals.

Goodell suspending the Saints was just a PR move. He knew about their bounty program years ago, and if they had stopped back then he wouldnt have punished them at all. Compare that to spygate. Goodell never gave a warning to the Pats to stop videotaping, he brought the hammer down on them as soon as he found out.