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Sean Payton Suspended 1 Year, Saints Lose Pair of 2nd Round Picks

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Goodell suspending the Saints was just a PR move. He knew about their bounty program years ago, and if they had stopped back then he wouldnt have punished them at all. Compare that to spygate. Goodell never gave a warning to the Pats to stopped videotaping, he brought the hammer down on them as soon as he found out.

No.

Goodell suspending the Saints was because they violated the rules and tried to cover it all up.

The NFL only investigated allegations against the Saints in 2010 after the initial charges from the unnamed player were received. Nothing much came of it. Then in 2011, the NFL received evidence it found credible that was "irrefutable."

He immediately dropped the hammer on New England because all it took to investigate was to confiscate the tapes and watch for themselves.
 
I didnt say the bounty WAS a superstition, because there isnt the element of luck. But its the same principle. You do something lacking in logic because you believe it gives you a slight edge. I think superstition isnt the best comparison, a better comparison is to pre-game rituals.

This is a terrible comparison. If you get into a pile in football, you aren't going to twist someone's ankle or break their finger because you are wearing special socks or Ray Lewis did a rousing chant. On the other hand, a bounty is gives you the conscious thought to hurt someone for a reward.

Compare that to spygate. Goodell never gave a warning to the Pats to stopped videotaping, he brought the hammer down on them as soon as he found out.

Not true at all...

http://www.nysun.com/sports/nfl-needs-to-suspend-belichick-for-sign-stealing/62434/ said:
The Patriots' cheating is particularly egregious because the team had previously been warned about taping the opposition's signals. Packers president Bob Harlan said the same Patriots employee caught red-handed against the Jets on Sunday was also caught taping the Packers' signals when the Patriots visited Green Bay last year, and that the NFL subsequently told the Patriots to knock it off.

Also, due to rumors around the league beforehand, the league sent out a memo at the beginning of the season regarding stealing signals...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338 said:
NFL rules state "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." They also say all video for coaching purposes must be shot from locations "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

That was re-emphasized in a memo sent Sept. 6 to NFL head coaches and general managers. In it, Ray Anderson, the league's executive vice president of football operations, wrote:"Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

Your point is just plain wrong.
 
This is a terrible comparison. If you get into a pile in football, you aren't going to twist someone's ankle or break their finger because you are wearing special socks or Ray Lewis did a rousing chant. On the other hand, a bounty is gives you the conscious thought to hurt someone for a reward.

The Saints werent twisting ankles or breaking fingers. Do you have any proof of them doing this?

The bounty was reward for big hits that result in injury....not twisting someone's ankle in a pile.
 
The Saints werent twisting ankles or breaking fingers. Do you have any proof of them doing this?

The bounty was reward for big hits that result in injury....not twisting someone's ankle in a pile.

Although I have only seen numerous references that say injuring a player would result in gaining a bonus, fine, I'll change my analogy. You aren't going to purposely hit someone in the head because of a pre-game speech or wearing your lucky underwear. You are going to do it for a bounty.

Sorry, I'm not a pro at analogies like you.
 
Although I have only seen numerous references that say injuring a player would result in gaining a bonus

Injuring a player with big hits. Not injuring a player by any means.

fine, I'll change my analogy. You aren't going to purposely hit someone in the head because of a pre-game speech or wearing your lucky underwear. You are going to do it for a bounty.

If you are making 7 figures and the bounty is 10k, no you wont.

You are just as likely to hit someone in the head because of a pre-game speech as a bounty.
 
If you are making 7 figures and the bounty is 10k, no you wont.

You are just as likely to hit someone in the head because of a pre-game speech as a bounty.

And if you are the six figure guy who might not have a job next season or even next week? You aren't going to make a head hit to get a bounty and hopefully impress those in charge who put the bounties in place? Bullshit.

Again, people will do anything for money, even if they are making 6+ figures. There is a reason why CEOs making millions are trying to make that extra few hundred thousand by any means. Bernie Madoff stole hundreds of millions, but was still trying to bilk people for a few thousand bucks. Greed >>> anything.
 
And if you are the six figure guy who might not have a job next season or even next week? You aren't going to make a head hit to get a bounty and hopefully impress those in charge who put the bounties in place? Bullshit.

1) That guy barely plays.

2) That guy knows to keep his hits within the rules, because a 15 yard penalty could cost him his career. He's playing for his NFL career, not a measly 10k bounty.
 
2) That guy knows to keep his hits within the rules, because a 15 yard penalty could cost him his career. He's playing for his NFL career, not a measly 10k bounty.

Whoa, whats this? You mean to tell me a player can injure another player within the framework of the rules? I didn't think that was possible.

Also, do you mean to tell me that the bounty system was designed to reward injuries, not 15-yard penalties taken? I didn't think that was possible, either.

Maybe its just me being jaded at this point, but your postings get dumber and dumber to me. The "superstition" analogy takes the cake. I have a superstition...whenever I get up in the morning, I open my front door and blindly fire a shot from my gun. One day, I hit my neighbor and almost killed him. The cops came, and I said "Whats the big deal? Its just a superstition".
 
Also, do you mean to tell me that the bounty system was designed to reward injuries, not 15-yard penalties taken? I didn't think that was possible, either.

Its obviously implied that the hits should be within the rules, only a moron would see it otherwise.

Maybe its just me being jaded at this point, but your postings get dumber and dumber to me. The "superstition" analogy takes the cake.

Has anyone here ever made a sex video with another dude? If so, can you give me some technical tips on the filming, like camera angles, lighting, etc?

I have a superstition...whenever I get up in the morning, I open my front door and blindly fire a shot from my gun. One day, I hit my neighbor and almost killed him. The cops came, and I said "Whats the big deal? Its just a superstition".

Not only is this attempted joke completely unfunny, it doesnt even correctly address what i said. I can see why you had an early exit in the March Madness tournament. Just admit that you're past your posting prime and on your way to retirement.
 
in any case..most long term fans are laughing..this isnt that serious..we dont care..sure, no one wants blatant violence and injury..but football is based on aggression for half the players on the field at any given time,so what else is new ?

linemen may start droppping 60 pounds because they arent needed to be that tough anymore...?
 
Source: Gregg Williams instructed Saints during speech to injure Niners offensive players

The night before Gregg Williams’ final game as the New Orleans Saints’ defensive coordinator, the since-suspended coach gave a fiery speech to the team’s defensive players during which he made specific references to inflicting physical punishment upon several San Francisco 49ers in a postseason game the next day.

In the speech at the team’s hotel near the San Francisco Airport, Williams – according to documentary filmmaker Sean Pamphilon – at one point made a hand signal suggesting he would personally pay for a ferocious shot on 49ers quarterback Alex Smith.

Williams also referenced the prospect of his players inflicting a severe knee injury upon San Francisco wideout Michael Crabtree and exhorted them to “put a lick on” backup receiver Kyle Williams in an effort to “find out” if he was still suffering from the effects of a late-December concussion

Williams’ speech, delivered less than two months before the Saints’ bounty scandal became public, was revealed to Yahoo! Sports by Pamphilon, who had access to various team functions for much of the 2011 season.

Pamphilon, who directed the critically acclaimed “Run Ricky Run” documentary for ESPN, is working on a project featuring former Saints special teams ace Steve Gleason, who is suffering from ALS. Pamphilon has released an audio recording of the profanity-laced speech (also obtained and listened to by Yahoo! Sports) on his website and said he believes “there’s no doubt at all” that Williams put a bounty on Smith in the meeting.

Said Pamphilon: “At one point Williams says, ‘We hit [expletive] Smith right there’ – then he points under his chin [and continues] – ‘remember me.’ Then he rubs his thumb against his index and middle fingers – the cash sign – and says, ‘I got the first one. I got the first one. Go get it. Go lay that [expletive] out.’

Two weeks ago Williams, who left the Saints days after their 36-32 playoff defeat to the Niners to become the St. Louis Rams’ defensive coordinator, was suspended for at least the 2012 season by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell. Williams did not return voice and text messages left Wednesday on his mobile phone.

Early in the 12-minute speech, Williams told his players, “Kill the head, the body will die” – one of the coach’s signature phrases, according to numerous current and former Saints defenders. In this case, Williams designated 49ers halfback Frank Gore as “the head” and then ratcheted up the rhetoric.

“We’ve got to do everything in the world to make sure we kill Frank Gore’s head,” Williams told the players. “We want him running sideways. We want his head sideways.”

Then, referencing backup halfback Kendall Hunter, Williams continued: “Little 32, we want to knock the [expletive] out of him. He has no idea what he’s in for. When he’s on the sideline, we’ve gotta turn that [expletive] over, turn their coaches over, turn the spectators over. Go and get that [expletive] on the sidelines.”

After talking about the prospect of players laying a “remember me” shot on Smith, Williams said, “We’re gonna swarm. We’re gonna dominate the line of scrimmage. And we’re gonna kill the [expletive] head. Every single one of you, before you get off the pile, affect the head … continue to touch and affect the head.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_gregg_williams_speech_saints_49ers_bounty_040412


Audio Link of Williams:
http://theusof.com/
 
Early in the 12-minute speech, Williams told his players, “Kill the head, the body will die” – one of the coach’s signature phrases, according to numerous current and former Saints defenders.

I'll venture out to say that's the signature phrase for a lot of NFL coaches. :dunno:
 
The guy doing the documentary was about Steve Gleason who is suffering from ALS. So with Williams still talking about taking someones head out while being on the documentary is funny.

Also I believe every coach does this and common talk.

Talks about taking out another players ACL? I mean he said let's see how tough he is when we take out his ACL...

Lmao. He's done.
 
The audio is pretty damning and I think it pretty much rules out any change in the punishment that has already been handed down.
 
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhnn9kbqQUA"]Greg Williams Saints Bounty Audio - YouTube[/ame]

:rofl:

And that "pussy" Niners offense put up what, 40, 50 points on them?
 
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