The breakdown of P4P meaning and fighters

[Liquidrob]

Nah, Carwin is a better overall prospect and higher up the list right now. You guys are hyping up Rogers too much.

If you're just looking at rankings, record and quality of opponents they're the same

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

If Carwin fought Rogers.. who would you pick?

Carwin dooze work in that fight.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

If Carwin fought Rogers.. who would you pick?

Carwin dooze work in that fight.

That'd be tough, bro...Rogers could come strong.

I, like Rob, would put both guys on par right now.

Basically, just up and coming heavyweights. I'd put both in the bottom half of the Top 10 at their class but a win over their next opponent would shoot them to stars in the eyes of fans.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I think Barnett is 3rd best, but no a win over Barnett is faaarrr different than a win over Rogers. Beating Barnett would mean A LOT more. You're talking about beating a HW legend vs a guy who barely fits into the top 10 picture and only has one solid win thus far in his career.

If he beat Barnett, would your "power rankings" see Fedor @ #1? Yay or Nay?

Still doesn't understand how anyone puts GSP or Silva ahead of The Russian Military Experiment.

 

[Liquidrob]

If Carwin fought Rogers.. who would you pick?

Carwin dooze work in that fight.

I dont know, I would say its a 50/50 fight, no one is the clear favorite, Carwin has better wrestling but it wont mean much in this fight, Rogers wouldnt be going for TDs and Carwin doesnt go for TDs much either

Carwin has cleaner striking, but IMO he is slow, Brett has faster hands, but is sloppy, I dont see how anyone can say who the clear favorite in

Carwin gets a bonus for taking some bombs from Gabe, but it shows he has someone suspect defense, Brett likes to get off early and often and likes to roll, so who knows

 

[Liquidrob]

Still doesn't understand how anyone puts GSP or Silva ahead of The Russian Military Experiment.

you can when you put together the entire equation and put more strength to the skill portion of what p4p means

plus people like Mamba tend to put more stock into the 'technical' striking part because coming more from a boxing perspective which is fine also

 

[JeremyHight]

I have always viewed the p4p rankings like Power Rankings. It isn't so much "What have you done in the past?" as it is "What have you done for me lately?" when I make them, although I completely understand the other alternative and respect it. That being said, my top 5 currently are:

1. Anderson Silva - Has been the most dominant fighter of the last 3 years in any weight class. He has been able to prove himself across 2 different classes and rumors are that he is considering going up yet another weight class.

2a. Georges St-Pierre - Has avenged his 2 last losses in dominant fashion and dominated the last #1 contender for 5 rounds. If not for the rather freakish record that Silva has put up in the last few years, he could be #1.

2b. Fedor Emelianenko - A win over Barnett would have put him tied at #1 with Silva, but the match was canceled. He has been dominant, but his long down time hurts him in my style of rankings.

4. Lyoto Machida - Hard to say he doesn't deserve to be higher considering his dominance of the LHW division, but I feel he needs a few solid title defenses before he can crack the top 3. He is amazing, but a win over the Rampage/Evans winner or possibly the superfight with Silva would put him at or near the top of my rankings.

5. B.J. Penn - The big thing holding him back is the lack of competition he has faced at his weight class and his less than stellar performances when going up to WW. He is definitely a dominant force, but needs a guy to lose in front of him in order to move up.

 

[Steel Mamba]

If he beat Barnett, would your "power rankings" see Fedor @ #1? Yay or Nay?

Still doesn't understand how anyone puts GSP or Silva ahead of The Russian Military Experiment.

Maybe, I said earlier that even if both guys won their matches against Griffin and Barnett that I would have Fedor moving to #2. Now that was before Anderson Silva put on a performance that no one expected though, so it's hard to say, it depends on how Fedor would have looked against Barnett. My reasoning for having him at #3 is in some of the earlier pages here, but Rob summed it up nicely above.

 

[Liquidrob]

I had an epiphany about my P4P rankings, I think I need to stick more true to the P4P meaning and take overall skill level up a notch, still of course throwing in all the other variables into the equation like I talked about in the first post, but in the end it is still about trying to find the best fighter if all things were equal (size), my previous list had to many LHWs in it and frankly now I don’t think they deserve it besides Machida, I must say I am really disappointed in the LW division as a whole as no one besides BJ is really stepping up big, I just couldn’t put Aoki, Alvarez or Hansen in over anyone on this list because they kept cancelling each other out

1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Anderson Silva
3. Fedor Emelianenko
4. BJ Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Mike Thomas Brown
7. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
8. Gegard Mousasi
9. Miguel Torres
10. Uriah Faber

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I had an epiphany about my P4P rankings, I think I need to stick more true to the P4P meaning and take overall skill level up a notch, still of course throwing in all the other variables into the equation like I talked about in the first post, but in the end it is still about trying to find the best fighter if all things were equal (size), my previous list had to many LHWs in it and frankly now I don’t think they deserve it besides Machida, I must say I am really disappointed in the LW division as a whole as no one besides BJ is really stepping up big, I just couldn’t put Aoki, Alvarez or Hansen in over anyone on this list because they kept cancelling each other out

1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Anderson Silva
3. Fedor Emelianenko
4. BJ Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Mike Thomas Brown
7. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
8. Gegard Mousasi
9. Miguel Torres
10. Uriah Faber

See, the thing, for me...is I don't care how you do it. You can be the sloppiest MF'r in the game, but if you are a wrecking machine, you get props, from me, over the guy who, technically could conceivably wrestle circles around a guy but has some blemishes on the record.

That's just me, and while its completely different from your approach, I can see where you are coming from in your Top 10 P4P.

Because I'd be a cunt if I didn't rank'em...

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2a. Georges St. Pierre
2b. Anderson Silva

- An undoubted, unmovable top three at the moment...most simply interchange them as to who has the hot hand.

4. BJ Penn
5. Lyoto Machida

- Machida needs an impressive title defense before I put him over Penn, who is the king of the lightweights. Yeah, I know Machida beat BJ, but BJ out of his class moving up is just an average fighter. I don't really knock guys who go up and can't hack it. It really is only a + in my book. However, with a title defense...I'd be inclined to put Machida ahead of Penn.

6. Mike Brown
7. Gegard Mousasi
8. Rampage Jackson
9. Jake Shields
10. Miguel Torres

 

[Liquidrob]

Fedor as a HW is at a disadvantage in P4P rankings, he cant 'move up', HW is pretty much open weight, when he fights guys who are bigger people simple say those guys are not as skilled, so having HWs in the P4P rankings need to be special, like Fedor and Nog

Silva gets the bump for me because he went up and embrassed a top 5 LHW and like you said, the top 3 are interchangable anyway, if Silva takes out a guy like Mir at HW there isnt much the other guys can do to jump him, he is taking the old school BJ Penn fast track way to get to the top, GSP doesnt have to move up it shouldnt be expected to, but Silva is doing things you shouldnt be able to do

I am fine with Fedor being the top HW which always equals 'Best Man on the Planet', GSP or SIlva can take the P4P title which is usually meant for the lighter weights

If Eddie Alvarez beat Aoki he would be right in the mix

 

[Steel Mamba]

1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Anderson Silva
3. Fedor Emelianenko
4. BJ Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Mike Thomas Brown
7. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
8. Gegard Mousasi
9. Miguel Torres
10. Uriah Faber

Interesting list. I'm surprised that you have Mike Brown over Nog and that high in general tho. Mike Brown is not a better overall fighter and he definitely doesn't have the resume that Nog does either. Nog might be the most well rounded HW that there is right now, only Fedor is his kryptonite.

 

[Liquidrob]

Interesting list. I'm surprised that you have Mike Brown over Nog and that high in general tho. Mike Brown is not a better overall fighter and he definitely doesn't have the resume that Nog does either. Nog might be the most well rounded HW that there is right now, only Fedor is his kryptonite.

Nog is the man, if Fedor was never created in the lab everyone would be all over Nog, Nog’s weakness would be his striking defense, he needs to thank baby jesus he has an iron chin, the only thing that ever stopped him was a staph infection, even that bus he got hit by at 11 couldn’t put him away

Brown is just so solid, his striking, striking defense + chin, the ability to TD and control where the fight goes is his strength

He is the GSP of the lighter weights IMO, he can impose his game plan on anyone at 145, not many fighters in the sport can dictate where the fight goes against almost every opponent, Brown is 1 of them

 

[Liquidrob]

Also, if you're just going straight skill set, the most well rounded HW is Alistar Overeem, but he does not have the granite chin like Nog or the cardio to put him over the top

 

[Liquidrob]

Interesting list. I'm surprised that you have Mike Brown over Nog and that high in general tho. Mike Brown is not a better overall fighter and he definitely doesn't have the resume that Nog does either. Nog might be the most well rounded HW that there is right now, only Fedor is his kryptonite.

I don't think anyone even has Nog on a top 10 P4P list, the Mir lose killed him and HWs generally dont get listed, but I think we can all agree that was Mir lose has to be seen in a different light now

 

[Liquidrob]

Mike Browns only loss at 145, Imanari is sick with his leg attacks

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dkOaHRynaI"]YouTube - WEC Champ Mike Brown knee dislocation[/ame]

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Also, if you're just going straight skill set, the most well rounded HW is Alistar Overeem, but he does not have the granite chin like Nog or the cardio to put him over the top

That would be the only list Overeem appears on.

He's got some bad losses on his record.

(no, he's not a bum...just sayin')

 

[Liquidrob]

That would be the only list Overeem appears on.

He's got some bad losses on his record.

(no, he's not a bum...just sayin')

of course, thats why I said it like that, lol, he lost to pretty much all the top guys he has faced, looked good for about 2-4 minutes and than, the rest of the story...

but now we have the 'new and improved' HW Overeem, dude is still a nightmare match up for anyone

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

You guys are selling someone short here...

Brock Lesnar has been as dominant as anyone, and he avenged his one fluky loss, just like GSP avenged his fluky loss vs. Serra.

He belongs among the top 10 in the world, especially over a guy like Nog who has looked like dogshit recently until Saturday.

1. Anderson Silva
2. Fedor
3. GSP
4. Machida
5. Mike Brown
6. Lesnar
7. Mousasi
8. Penn
9. Henderson
10. Melendez

 

[Liquidrob]

lol, no way W2B, for a HW you have to have big time skills to crack the top 10, only guys worthy of that would be Fedor and Nog right now

You must be thinking of a different list...