VICK RELEASED

[Mit]

I wanna see Vick come back strong. I've always liked him despite making one mistake about dog fighting charges.

 

[Bigpapa42]

I doubt Mike Vick signing to a team would cause them to lose their fans base

I'm not saying they are going to alienate their entire fanbase. But even if they alienate even a small percentage of it... That would hurt some teams. It might not even the presense or signing of Vick that causes issues fans - it could just be the resulting media circus that bothers some fans to that extent.

Perhaps there is no fan or media backlash against Vick at all when he does return to the league. Perhaps there is a massive one. At this point, we just don't know. My entire point is that there could definitely be some negative consequences of the media attention that would accompany any team signing Vick. Not that there will be, but that there could be.

I just really don't buy the "no such thing as bad press" logic when it comes to the NFL. Its like saying all the attention that Pacman Jones got was great for him and his teams. No, it wasn't. It was very negative.

 

[Archer]

If Vick plays then yeah he should bring in some fans while drive some away. No one is going to come see vick play if he is only on the field for 5 wildcat plays a game.

Hes not gonna be , hel be a qb somewhere i promise you. Some people are gonna come just to boo him and hope he fails. Still gonna be there tho

 

[Bigpapa42]

I wanna see Vick come back strong. I've always liked him despite making one mistake about dog fighting charges.

I'm probably coming across as a Vick-hater in this thread, which I'm actually not... But how exactly was financing an illegal dog fighting operation and then lying about it "one mistake"? To me, that's one pretty huge series of mistakes. Its like saying that Ryan Leaf made "one mistake" by deciding not to be a good quarterback...

 

[The Messenger]

Oh thank God! I'd love to see Michael Vick get out, take a very good defense, and a very good running game, and blow ass in the playoffs again. I'd also like to see his great passing skills, ya know like when he completes every single pass to his TE and RBs? EXCITMENT!

I agree with that one guy (forget who it was), Vick held Roddy White back.

 

[The Messenger]

But will he bring that same excitement. We dont know if he stayed in shape in prison. He has been out two seasons so for him to come back and perform at his peak is probably a less than 5 percent chance.

I highly doubt being in shape will have anything to do with it. It's not like prisoners go to jail and become fat shits. If anything, Vick will look like a fucking body builder. Remember, the only thing you have to do in prison is eat, sleep, shit, and work out.

The thing that's going to hurt him, like you said, it being out for two seasons. I don't think he'll be able to keep up with the game after being out for so long.

Good shit, cause Vick's a shitty quarterback and a worse human being. He's like the Golden State Warriors of the NFL. He provides a ton of excitement, but he can't get the job done.

 

[Aso]

Jim Mora held Michael Vick back. He's not meant to be a west coast quarterback. He can throw a very good deep ball.

 

[Mit]

I'm probably coming across as a Vick-hater in this thread, which I'm actually not... But how exactly was financing an illegal dog fighting operation and then lying about it "one mistake"? To me, that's one pretty huge series of mistakes. Its like saying that Ryan Leaf made "one mistake" by deciding not to be a good quarterback...

Doesn't matter about what he did in the past cause he paid for it, but you still can't help but feel sorry for the guy. Yeah, he made a dog fighting operation, but he paid for it and paid for it severely. I mean the guy filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy, which goes to show you how bad it went. I think he learned his lesson and I want to see him back in action.

 

[Archer]

Oh thank God! I'd love to see Michael Vick get out, take a very good defense, and a very good running game, and blow ass in the playoffs again. I'd also like to see his great passing skills, ya know like when he completes every single pass to his TE and RBs? EXCITMENT!

I agree with that one guy (forget who it was), Vick held Roddy White back.

Lol i fucking love it. You make it sound like he had it all (team wise) then just blowed ass and its funny... If anyone knew , Roddy White sucked ass them first 2 years ..ask any Falcon Fan , he dropped passes he was terrible , mainly because he was young and raw. White has had 1 good season maybe 2 at a push and suddenly hes a world beater who was held back?? I remember watching Vick v the steelers and they were down 17points , he took them from behind and they ended up tieing the game. Please was that him ruing the team then?? look at his td to int rate , its not bad at all espically for a mobile qb run first qb. The dude ran for 1,000 yards in one season , he was half the run game.

 

[FirstTimer]

. The dude ran for 1,000 yards in one season ,

You realize that stat is skewed by the fact that his sack yardage doesn't come off his rushing total right?.......RIGHT?

The Falcons have had a good running game with or without Vick under center. His career winning percentage is nothing better than Jay Fiedler's and he regressed as a passer as his NFL career went along because he was either too stupid, too arrogant, or just didn't care(or all 3) about learning how to become a better passer.

 

[celtsxpatsxsox]

Doesn't matter about what he did in the past cause he paid for it, but you still can't help but feel sorry for the guy. Yeah, he made a dog fighting operation, but he paid for it and paid for it severely. I mean the guy filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy, which goes to show you how bad it went. I think he learned his lesson and I want to see him back in action.

Why should you feel bad for him. He broke a major law. Has he learned his lesson? Probably. Does he regret what he did? Maybe, Maybe not. I am pretty sure if he didnt get caught he would still be doing it.

 

[Prodigal Son]

I highly doubt being in shape will have anything to do with it. It's not like prisoners go to jail and become fat shits. If anything, Vick will look like a fucking body builder. Remember, the only thing you have to do in prison is eat, sleep, shit, and work out.

The thing that's going to hurt him, like you said, it being out for two seasons. I don't think he'll be able to keep up with the game after being out for so long.

Good shit, cause Vick's a shitty quarterback and a worse human being. He's like the Golden State Warriors of the NFL. He provides a ton of excitement, but he can't get the job done.

You do realize lifting weights would be HORRIBLE for Vick. His game doesn't revolve around his ability to bully people. His game is reliant on his athleticism which is greatly risked by only lifting weights for two years.

 

[Archer]

You realize that stat is skewed by the fact that his sack yardage doesn't come off his rushing total right?.......RIGHT?

The Falcons have had a good running game with or without Vick under center. His career winning percentage is nothing better than Jay Fiedler's and he regressed as a passer as his NFL career went along because he was either too stupid, too arrogant, or just didn't care(or all 3) about learning how to become a better passer.

Lol its a little scewed yes but the dude still ran for a shit load of yards for a qb. Maybe vick was a little arrogant also in the fact that he didnt show much attempt to improve his passing , he was still a decent quarterback and good leader at times imo. Still better than some of the starting nfl qbs right now. With the entire package of running and passing added in

 

[Archer]

Why should you feel bad for him. He broke a major law. Has he learned his lesson? Probably. Does he regret what he did? Maybe, Maybe not. I am pretty sure if he didnt get caught he would still be doing it.

But he did . Cudda wudda shudda doesnt exist.

Ps. No nobody should feel "sorry" for the guy , but people should relise that hes paid his time and deserves at least an oppurtunity to try out and show his skills (if he still has them) to a team.

 

[celtsxpatsxsox]

Lol its a little scewed yes but the dude still ran for a shit load of yards for a qb. Maybe vick was a little arrogant also in the fact that he didnt show much attempt to improve his passing , he was still a decent quarterback and good leader at times imo. Still better than some of the starting nfl qbs right now. With the entire package of running and passing added in

How do you know he will be better than some of the QB's. He hasnt been in the NFL for two seasons. He hasnt been on any throwing programs for two seasons. I know when I dont throw a baseball or a football in a while I cant throw for shit.

 

[FirstTimer]

Lol its a little scewed yes but the dude still ran for a shit load of yards for a qb. Maybe vick was a little arrogant also in the fact that he didnt show much attempt to improve his passing , he was still a decent quarterback and good leader at times imo. Still better than some of the starting nfl qbs right now. With the entire package of running and passing added in

It's skewed by 45 sacks and over 300 yards. More than just "a little". That's just under 1/3rd of Vick's rushing production.


A good leader???


6 years into his career the coaching staff still wouldn't let him audible. Nothing shows "leadership" by not even having enough trust from the coaching staff to not be allowed to audible.

Vick was average. At best.

 

[Archer]

How do you know he will be better than some of the QB's. He hasnt been in the NFL for two seasons. He hasnt been on any throwing programs for two seasons. I know when I dont throw a baseball or a football in a while I cant throw for shit.

I meant if he plays at the form he was at BEFORE he went to jail he will be. If u look the conversation me and messenger/firstimer were having was about VICK BEFORE HIS ARREST NOT AFTER.

Nobody knows how good hes going to be after his release so its pointless talking about it.

 

[FirstTimer]

Ps. No nobody should feel "sorry" for the guy , but people should relise that hes paid his time and deserves at least an oppurtunity to try out and show his skills (if he still has them) to a team.

He doesn't "deserve" anything. Choices have consequences. No one owes Mike Vick a try out and he doesn't "deserve" anything.

 

[Prodigal Son]

How do you know he will be better than some of the QB's. He hasnt been in the NFL for two seasons. He hasnt been on any throwing programs for two seasons. I know when I dont throw a baseball or a football in a while I cant throw for shit.

He did play flag football with other convicts though.

 

[Archer]

It's skewed by 45 sacks and over 300 yards. More than just "a little". That's just under 1/3rd of Vick's rushing production.


A good leader???


6 years into his career the coaching staff still wouldn't let him audible. Nothing shows "leadership" by not even having enough trust from the coaching staff to not be allowed to audible.

Vick was average. At best.

He was a little bit above average as a "total package" for me. But thats my opinion im not going to try and force it on you. Did he take his teams from behind on more than one occasion YES , did he have "clutch plays" in the 4th and OT at times YES . The guy could perform AT TIMES when the game was on the line. More than i can say about quite a few of starting nfl qbs. But im done with this one , if he comes back wel just see how good he is.

PS. I didnt relise how skewed it was lol. 600 yards rushing is still a decent effort but not as specataular as i first thought.