Hide Yo Kids. Paterno/Sandusky Trial/Penn State Megathread

[shag773]

Last I checked VSN isn't the justice system. I'm not going to wait for a verdict that likely won't come for months to voice an opinion and paint Sandusky as the villain. Sandusky hasn't even denied the accusations and there are literally no claims that any of these victims made up what occurred.

The slimy fuck actually has came out and said he is innocent...

 

[ralaw]

The slimy fuck actually has came out and said he is innocent...

According to our Justice System (as reinforced by Dave) I guess he is.

 

[tigga334]

Sandusky feels bad

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/sandusky_saddened_by_paterno_r.html

Jerry Sandusky is "distraught and saddened" at head football coach Joe Paterno's announcement to retire at the end of the season, and the possibility that he might be forced out earlier, following the child sex abuse charges filed against Sandusky and the scandal that has since exploded on campus.

"He is also saddened that University President Graham Spanier may lose his position," Sandusky's attorney Joe Amendola told The Patriot-News.

Sandusky continues to maintain his innocence, Amendola said.

"And to refute the Attorney General's allegations lodged against him last Saturday."

The allegations are that he used his charity, The Second Mile, to find children he could molest. Sandusky has been charged with abusing eight children.

 

[Blade]

This guy Sandusky is a piece of work.....

1) "Let me go find a job at a HS as an assistant coach. So I can hang out with my target pool." I wonder if he intentionally joined that HS staff because Victim 1 was there already.

2) One of the Philly ABC reporters said this morning on radio, that Sandusky was reportedly told by Paterno at one point, my guess during Sandusky's last season, that he won't succeed him. Apparently one of the boys said that Sandusky confided that tidbit to him before assaulting him. So this guy was using his personal grief as ammo to do what he was doing.

If I ever have kids, I am gonna have to have a fucking body guard following them around.

 

[shag773]

When it comes to child rape there is no "high horse." The facts are if you see or hear about it happening you have an obligation to put an end to it and you certainly don't let the perp continue to do it on your watch.

Put an end to it? What, now he's a cop? A judge? He reported to campus police and their so called "investigation" came up empty. Even JoePa, as a Penn State "God", doesn't have the power to arrest, charge, and try the perp. He's a fucking football coach, not a DA..

Paterno certainly has a lot of responsibility and has high expectations and this is due to his good work....and he certainly reeped the benefits of obtaining most of those expectations. However, when your in that position you have to take full responsibility for what goes on on your watch. As a molder of men and as a football coach Paterno's legacy has not changed. However, we all should learn something from this.

Fair enough, he has certainly reeped those benefits. But he's also given back a hell of a lot as well. Look, I understand that he had to go. It probably should have been done a while ago. But lumping him in with those admins, especially Schultz WHO ACTUALLY HAD THE POWER TO OPEN AN INVESTIGATION AND CHARGE HIM, is unfair IMO.

I agree with you that I hope none of us ever have to deal with something like this, but not in within the context that you said it ( as a way to question our ability to handle it the way we criticized him) but instead due to the nature of the crime, which is so devestating.

There was a show a couple years ago on ABC that was called something like, What Would You Do or something like that, where they would pay actors to act out scenes where crimes or public injustices would take place and they would record reactions from normal people who were not in on it. And the number of people that would just walk away or not even blink at these situations was astounding to me.

Obviously they didn't go into child molestation, but the point is, and maybe this is a sad statement for humanity, is people as a whole would rather look the other way the other way than be bothered with a case like this. Joe didn't do that. You can argue that he didn't do enough, but he certainly didn't bury his head in the sand and hoped this went away. That's my only issue.

But it's funny how everyone can bury this man when it's more than likely most of you wouldn't say a fucking word if it meant there was even the slightest chance of losing even a smidge of what you have.

 

[Palooza]

 

[Rayman]

Dear God...

@nathanielkraft: Mark Madden just said on WEEI that reports coming that #Sandusky and Second Mile pimped out young boys to rich donors. #sick

uke:

This calls for a lynch mob if legit. I'm 100% serious. Burn this bastard alive immediately.

 

[Palooza]

 

[ralaw]

Put an end to it? What, now he's a cop? A judge? He reported to campus police and their so called "investigation" came up empty. Even JoePa, as a Penn State "God", doesn't have the power to arrest, charge, and try the perp. He's a fucking football coach, not a DA..

A good start would have been for Paterno to not allow Sandusky to have total access to the facilities to lure kids.

Fair enough, he has certainly reaped those benefits. But he's also given back a hell of a lot as well. Look, I understand that he had to go. It probably should have been done a while ago. But lumping him in with those admins, especially Schultz WHO ACTUALLY HAD THE POWER TO OPEN AN INVESTIGATION AND CHARGE HIM, is unfair IMO.

Its not so much “lumping him in” as much as there is no way he could continued to be the coach. It would have been nothing but a distraction. The school has to move forward with all new blood. Paterno isn’t being charged with anything, but he does have some culpability, which he said himself. Paterno’s role was lesser, but he still played a role in allowing it.

There was a show a couple years ago on ABC that was called something like, What Would You Do or something like that, where they would pay actors to act out scenes where crimes or public injustices would take place and they would record reactions from normal people who were not in on it. And the number of people that would just walk away or not even blink at these situations was astounding to me.

Obviously they didn't go into child molestation, but the point is, and maybe this is a sad statement for humanity, is people as a whole would rather look the other way the other way than be bothered with a case like this. Joe didn't do that. You can argue that he didn't do enough, but he certainly didn't bury his head in the sand and hoped this went away. That's my only issue.

I don’t know what I would have done, but I would like to think I would have done what many have said should have happened. I don’t think he buried his head in the sand, but he must have either been misinformed, forgot or simply dismissed what he was told. Either way, I’m sure he had heard about Sandusky’s history with this and knowing that alone should have triggered something in him to see it through (as I’m sure he had done with every other issue). If someone tells you that kids are being raped in your facility/office/home, etc you have an obligation to put an end to it. Whether that be confronting the individual and/or telling the police. If the police let it slide then you have to tell whoever will listen.

But it's funny how everyone can bury this man when it's more than likely most of you wouldn't say a fucking word if it meant there was even the slightest chance of losing even a smidge of what you have.

In saying this you do know you’re essentially accusing others of cosigning to the ideology of placing their career over the well-being of children being raped? Come on. Also, you make it seem as if Paterno is just some random journeyman coach who had no power…….he’s Joe Paterno….he is Penn State., and given the fact that he promoted McQueary to an assistant coach he must have had some credibility with Paterno, so he should have done more………which he said himself.

 

[webbi]

looks like sandusky passed around the boys to rich donors.. wtf?

 

[ralaw]

Dear God...




uke:

This calls for a lynch mob if legit. I'm 100% serious. Burn this bastard alive immediately.

Is this credible? If so a lot more heads are about to role.

 

[ralaw]

Do you guys remember that thread that was created a while ago about 2 major scandals that were about to go down in college football? Is this one of these scandals or were those only involving the NCAA infractions? Speaking of infractions I wonder if this scandal can be considered a "lack of institutional control"?

 

[MvP]

I definitely feel bad for Paterno. I'll be honest with ya, I don't know if even I would've done more than what he did. I think he's taking way too much heat for an act that was really not a lot to do with him. I'm sure a ton of other people knew about this and also did nothing about it.

It's just a shame, for everyone involved. There isn't anything positive about it.

Thank you. This is the post I was trying to make last night but was having trouble figuring out how to word it properly so that someone like NAHSTE wouldn't come over with caps lock on calling me names, making sarcastic comments, etc.

To me, although obviously not on the same scale as the children that were touched/raped, Paterno has become a victim of this situation.

 

[DJ Rhude]

He said pray for the victims. Good.

Then went back into his house but said "WE ARE PENN STATE". BAD.

...Yes.

That's typical Paterno tho, the program and the game to him is bigger than anything.....this is the same guy who made light of an alleged sexual abuse charge levied at AJ Nicholson back in 2006.....remember Nicholson was sent home before the Seminoles were to play in the Orange Bowl and Paterno basically tried to make excuses for the guy....The National Oragnization of Women called for his resignation right after his comments

McQueary needs to go as well......he's the one who saw the alleged rape and did not go to the police

I mean it's really common sense, if you happen to observe a rape, you call the cops....and when it's a child involved, makes it even worse...it's pretty cut and dry to me.....you're kidding yourself if you say anything otherwise

 

[shag773]

A good start would have been for Paterno to not allow Sandusky to have total access to the facilities to lure kids.

Completely agree, but we don't know what role Joe had in that. But I'll admit it doesn't look good. I want to know what got back to him as to what happened in that meeting with the AD, the campus police director, and McQueary, how it was left, and what personal coversation he had with McQueary after the fact about the case.

Its not so much “lumping him in” as much as there is no way he could continued to be the coach. It would have been nothing but a distraction. The school has to move forward with all new blood. Paterno isn’t being charged with anything, but he does have some culpability, which he said himself. Paterno’s role was lesser, but he still played a role in allowing it.

Agree 1000%, well said...But many posters here don't see it that way, they do make Paterno as responsible or even more than the admins. Wasn't meant to be specifically directed at you, but you answered the post..

I don’t know what I would have done, but I would like to think I would have done what many have said should have happened. I don’t think he buried his head in the sand, but he must have either been misinformed, forgot or simply dismissed what he was told. Either way, I’m sure he had heard about Sandusky’s history with this and knowing that alone should have triggered something in him to see it through (as I’m sure he had done with every other issue). If someone tells you that kids are being raped in your facility/office/home, etc you have an obligation to put an end to it. Whether that be confronting the individual and/or telling the police. If the police let it slide then you have to tell whoever will listen.

He would also have to know and believe in your heart that this actually occured to take it further than he did. As of now we don't know what he thought.

In saying this you do know you’re essentially accusing others of cosigning to the ideology of placing their career over the well-being of children being raped? Come on. Also, you make it seem as if Paterno is just some random journeyman coach who had no power…….he’s Joe Paterno….he is Penn State., and given the fact that he promoted McQueary to an assistant coach he must have had some credibility with Paterno, so he should have done more………which he said himself.

I still stand by the last statement of my post.

He should have done more, considering what he knows now. Again we are assuming Joe was privy to every accusation in that report. As a man I have loved and revered my entire life, I want him to address these things before I completely demonize him.

P.S. I am fully aware that I am not impartial in this argument and fully aware of the fact I maybe completely off and looking at this man through rose colored glasses. But I will say this. If Sandusky being found guilty and spending the rest of his life in jail getting ass raped by jailbird SEC defensive lineman means Joe must fall on the sword in the court of public opinion, than so be it. Don't confuse my stance as being any kind of apologist for the douchebag fuck Sandusky, or that I'm taking anything away from what those victims must be going through. In the end, thats more important than the job of Head Coach at PSU.

 

[DJ Rhude]

Paterno: "with the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more"

A little late for that

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

More is going to break on this case...bank on it.

This was a HUGE coverup of Sandusky, but its going to be a lot more than just that...there was surely a child pornography operation running up there and there is now reports surfacing that Sandusky used his non-profit org to pimp out kids to other rich pedos.

This is going to be brutal for Penn State. Brutal.

This wasn't one guy just being a blight on society and violating little boys, this is an entire college who has known and generally been complicit with this dudes activities since they found out about them.

Crazy stuff.

 

[shag773]

Do you guys remember that thread that was created a while ago about 2 major scandals that were about to go down in college football? Is this one of these scandals or were those only involving the NCAA infractions? Speaking of infractions I wonder if this scandal can be considered a "lack of institutional control"?

I actually do remember that. I'm afraid of what the second one could be....

If it turns out the President, AD, and campus police director are all found guilty of negligence, than I would assume there would be some harsh penalties coming.

 

[DJ Rhude]

The worse this scandal gets, it won't surprise me if someone involved hangs themself

 

[ralaw]

I still stand by the last statement of my post.

He should have done more, considering what he knows now. Again we are assuming Joe was privy to every accusation in that report. As a man I have loved and revered my entire life, I want him to address these things before I completely demonize him.

I don’t think Paterno knew about everything, because generally in cases like this the only people that really know are the perp and victims; however, I do believe that he was aware of the fact that Sandusky had a history of abnormal behavior with children. I don’t know if he knew the details, but I do believe he knew something suspect was gong on and that should have been enough for him to do more.

I have never been the type of person that looked up to athletes, coaches, preachers, entertainers, etc. I don’t know why, but I’ve always seen them as being just like anyone else. I think we all of flaws and we all make mistakes. I've always been able to separate the public figure from the person. Having said that I feel sorry for people and kids who do, because it certainly can be devastating.

P.S. I am fully aware that I am not impartial in this argument and fully aware of the fact I maybe completely off and looking at this man through rose colored glasses. But I will say this. If Sandusky being found guilty and spending the rest of his life in jail getting ass raped by jailbird SEC defensive lineman means Joe must fall on the sword in the court of public opinion, than so be it. Don't confuse my stance as being any kind of apologist for the douchebag fuck Sandusky, or that I'm taking anything away from what those victims must be going through. In the end, thats more important than the job of Head Coach at PSU.

I haven’t seen any Paterno apologist on this messageboard. Given Paterno’s history I can understand why someone would want to “defend” him. I have no issues with that.