MMA Thread

[Liquidrob]

before this fight none of his fights have gone the distance since sept 11, 2004

doesnt seem like points play a part in his fights

and silva game has always been countering his opponets

cote would have went the distance

in his last 2 fights silva has not looked to finish, those are facts, use your eyes

silva is a beast, a great fighter, but he has coasted his last 2 fights, you cant change what he has done

he was in there with 2 over matched fighters and couldnt finish, you think this only happens to silva? guys have been avoiding great strikers for years, you think guys wanted to engage with cro cop? you think pepople like standing in front of great strikers?

you go kick there ass, you dont play DDR for 5 freakin rounds! 5, not a couple rounds to feel someone out, 5, what silva has been pulling is sad

 

[Liquidrob]

also, is steelmamba just nasty?

if so, glad you're over here

 

[Steel Mamba]

you go kick there ass, you dont play DDR for 5 freakin rounds! 5, not a couple rounds to feel someone out, 5, what silva has been pulling is sad

issed:

 

[Liquidrob]

you're telling me that all people have to do is just not attack silva and they can go the distance? please, if he wanted to press and still keep a counter attack style he could

silva is coasting out his contract, but the UFC deserevs this by setting him up with james irvin, cote and now thales

dana is pissed also, he actually went into silva corner and talked to his coach, lol

 

[Steel Mamba]

I still say it's pretty hard to press when your opponent is on the ground napping.

 

[Bigpapa42]

I still say it's pretty hard to press when your opponent is on the ground napping.

Again, which Leites did later in the fight. Where was the engagement prior to that?

 

[Steel Mamba]

Again, which Leites did later in the fight. Where was the engagement prior to that?

Two things. 1. Silva started the fight the same way he started almost every other fight of his UFC career. 2. Bad match-making, styles make fights.

 

[Liquidrob]

just look at the backwards soccer kick gif, he actually catches thales with it, he turns him around, hands down and silva is just chilling, not looking to do anything else

 

[Bigpapa42]

Two things. 1. Silva started the fight the same way he started almost every other fight of his UFC career. 2. Bad match-making, styles make fights.

Which is a funny thought, given that he's finished 4 of 9 UFC fights within the first round. So the "he's always a slow starter" argument doesn't really hold much water. Its really interesting when you consider that his last two fights were his two longest, and against two of his easiest opponents.

just look at the backwards soccer kick gif, he actually catches thales with it, he turns him around, hands down and silva is just chilling, not looking to do anything else

Exactly. He never seemed to get aggressive at any point. Never looked to follow anything up. He would just try shit but not push at all.

 

[Steel Mamba]

Which is a funny thought, given that he's finished 4 of 9 UFC fights within the first round. So the "he's always a slow starter" argument doesn't really hold much water. Its really interesting when you consider that his last two fights were his two longest, and against two of his easiest opponents.

That doesn't matter, his style has remained the same. All I can really say is to rewatch his old UFC fights and you'll see what I mean. Most of the time he starts off just feeling guys out for a couple of minutes, then after that he waits for his opponent to open up and make a mistake, and that's when he strikes. That's the same style he brought into this fight, which again comes down to styles making fights. When he tried to turn it on his opponent just wasn't there.

Also, if I had the time I would go back and count the strikes that he has thrown in the opening round of some of his fights, which really isn't very many most of the time. That would really tell the story right there. But, yeah the thing is those few strikes that he usually does throw is all that it takes against certain opponents.

 

[calgaryballer]

This is all pointless. The real fact is that since losing to Okami, Anderson only has one legit win(Hendo). Everyone else is a CAN! Get Okami back in there once and for all!

only partially sarcastic

 

[Steel Mamba]

Against Travis Lutter Silva did not even attempt a single strike until there was 3:30 left in the round. I think the total strikes he threw standing was probably no more than 3 or 4 for the entire round!

 

[calgaryballer]

Against Travis Lutter Silva did not even attempt a single strike until there was 3:30 left in the round. I think the total strikes he threw standing was probably no more than 3 or 4 for the entire round!

Is that a good thing though? He was fighting Travis Fucking Lutter.

 

[Steel Mamba]

Is that a good thing though? He was fighting Travis Fucking Lutter.

Lutter is a decent fighter, not a championship level fighter, but still pretty solid. Regardless though the point is that's simply Silva's style against everyone that he has fought in the UFC. He fought Hendo the same way, he went an entire minute before he even attempted a single strike in the Hendo fight. When you look at his record it's hard to argue against his style not being a good thing.

But, again styles make fights. If you put him against someone who's not going to engage him or flop on the ground when he does, then yes potentially you're going to be looking at a very boring fight. However when his opponent is actually trying to fight and trying to win we all know how exciting Anderson can be.

 

[Bigpapa42]

That doesn't matter, his style has remained the same. All I can really say is to rewatch his old UFC fights and you'll see what I mean. Most of the time he starts off just feeling guys out for a couple of minutes, then after that he waits for his opponent to open up and make a mistake, and that's when he strikes. That's the same style he brought into this fight, which again comes down to styles making fights. When he tried to turn it on his opponent just wasn't there.

Also, if I had the time I would go back and count the strikes that he has thrown in the opening round of some of his fights, which really isn't very many most of the time. That would really tell the story right there. But, yeah the thing is those few strikes that he usually does throw is all that it takes against certain opponents.

I realize he tends to use a slow opener style, as many kickboxers do. But the "feeling out" lasted all five rounds against Leites. Silva had some openings that he didn't jump on. He never pressed to force an opening. He wasn't aggressive. What's the point of trying some fancy back-heel kick if you aren't going to even attempt to follow it up while your opponent is off-balance. He was playing and showboating, not using such techniques to gain a tactical edge that he could aggressively exploit. He's done that for two fights in a row now. He is not approaching fights the same, for whatever reason.

I love Silva. One of my favorite fighters. Up until these last two fights, he was one of a very select group of fighters that I would pay for a show just to see them fight. Even if that was the whole card. That's gone now for two fights. Over 7 rounds of not looking like the same fighter. I'm not saying I think he's changed his approach these last two fights because I want to believe it. Its exactly the opposite - I want to believe he's the same guy. But I see visually evidence that tells me he isn't approaching his opponent the same way.

 

[Liquidrob]

so basically any fighter can get in there now with silva and go the distance by not engaging, sign me up for 49.95 every time he fights!

 

[Steel Mamba]

I guess we'll just agree to disagree then because I didn't see anything different in regard to his fight style that would lead me to believe that he approached this last fight any differently. He looked every bit like his normal self, except the opportunities just weren't there in this particular fight. He even went for the thai clinch multiple times and every time he went for it Thales dropped to the ground. He starts to unload and he drops to the ground. What can you do? Go into his guard, sure, but why when your opponent didn't earn the right to take the fight to the ground?

Bottom line - everyone except for Rob will forget about these two fights once the UFC puts him in the cage against someone who actually wants to fight.

http://mmamania.com/2009/04/19/ufc-97-post-fight-press-conference-video/

Skip to 1:50

 

[Steel Mamba]

so basically any fighter can get in there now with silva and go the distance by not engaging, sign me up for 49.95 every time he fights!

Why be in the cage if you're not going to actually fight someone? I thought that was the whole point. Silva was trying to press action.

 

[Liquidrob]

I guess we'll just agree to disagree then because I didn't see anything different in regard to his fight style that would lead me to believe that he approached this last fight any differently. He looked every bit like his normal self, except the opportunities just weren't there in this particular fight. He even went for the thai clinch multiple times and every time he went for it Thales dropped to the ground. He starts to unload and he drops to the ground. What can you do? Go into his guard, sure, but why when your opponent didn't earn the right to take the fight to the ground?

Bottom line - everyone except for Rob will forget about these two fights once the UFC puts him in the cage against someone who actually wants to fight.

http://mmamania.com/2009/04/19/ufc-97-post-fight-press-conference-video/

Skip to 1:50

actually it is not just me, silva is probably there worst drawing champ, he just doesnt sell well to the public, even with the destruction of franklin twice, leben, hendo, etc...

now with the cote and thales debacle, dana might not even put him in the main event or make him just headline free shows or maybe the tape delayed UK shows

the p4p thing was a gimmick just for anderson, lesnar sells, any LHW sells (chuck, jackson, forrest,etc..) GSP is a canadian superstar and BJ has his following, BJ probably is down there with Silva because he is a 155 champ and the average fan doesnt like LWs, but he still brings in the eye balls with the right match up

silva just blew the p4p gimmick that they gave him

 

[Liquidrob]

Why be in the cage if you're not going to actually fight someone? I thought that was the whole point. Silva was trying to press action.

stop it, no he wasnt, where was he pressing? with side kicks to the knees to keep his distance? with simmeys of his shoulders? throwing behind the back kicks? circling for minutes at a time?

leites didnt do anything and silva did the same