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Nobody Cares About Fantasy Bad Beat Stories, Plus Bonus Rant

If anything Fantasy football has taught me that all my buddies who think they know football, no nothing about it and fantasy football as a whole has really started to piss me off.

I'm glad I'm only doing one league this year.

Fantasy Hockey and Baseball are the only two that I really care for.
 
All Fantasy sports suck. Especially ones where you have to go and manage your lineup everyday. None of them take skill. Remembering to log in everyday and update the lineup isn't a skill it's an inconvenience. The biggest "skill" you can have is being better than everyone else at picking up players off waivers.

And there's no such thing as a bad beat, it's irrelevant when the game is played. It doesn't matter if a TD happens within the first minute of the Thursday game or last second of the MNF game. Captain obvious I know but still...if you don't want to deal with the pain of a FF bad beat wait until Tuesday morning to check the score.

:bosh:
 
Fantasy Football is on the downswing anyways. The fact that some of these guys make a living telling you to start RB A over RB B because RB A is playing a shitty run defense is laughable. Anyone with some decent football knowledge can you tell you that.

It is seriously annoying to me when you see some idiot celebrating their players 9 yard catch because thats 1.9 points or when people are only rooting for one player to do well and letting everyone know how many fantasy points they need. The worst is those who cheer a fantasy player on when they're playing against their favorite team. What the hell is that? You're fan card should be revoked if you do that. If I had Aaron Rodgers and he was playing the Lions I'd be praying he throws 5 interceptions by half time.

I will probably always be in a league with my friends because its tradition and it can be fun. It really doesn't take much skill to win it all either. Point A being my friend who is now in his 3rd season in our league. His first season, never had played fantasy football before...he won it all. His second season, he finished in 2nd place and was an Adrian Peterson fumble away from winning it again.
 
I'd love to be in the fantasy baseball league with vsners here. Problem is my baseball player knowledge is jack shit but I did set my lineups when I played it a couple times.

I don't know if I can fleece pujols off whoever drafts him here though :shifty:
 
meh....i think it is fun. Shit I played against Vick in 2 out of 3 leagues last week. O well. i think the draft is fun and managing a team. Don't take it so seriously man. There is quite a bit of luck involved. Although my brother has won his fucking league 3 years in a row and is going to probably win again this year. So there is some skill.

Happy Turkey day!
 
But here is mine, and it's the worst one EVER.

Kyle Orton, master of the meaningless late TD this year, hits Brandon Lloyd in the end zone on 4th & FUCKING 10, late in the 4th Q.

-League #1: My opponent has Orton. I lose 109-108.

-League #2: My opponent has Lloyd. I lose 138-136.

-League #3: I have SD Defense. TD costs me 2 points. I lose 97-96

The first league is a big $ league where the first place team wins $5k, and the playoff champ gets another $1k. The loss knocked me into 3rd place.

Fantasy Football is the only activity in the world that I truly fucking hate, yet always participate in, because I get suckered into these leagues every year at the last minute...."C'mon man, we need you for 12".

I don't understand how people enjoy this shit. Might as well flip coins for money. Takes zero god damn skill, you don't even need to watch games or follow the league to be "good" at it.

Ever wonder why dumbfucks can consistanly win in Fantasy Football, but never ever win in fantasy baseball? BECAUSE FANTASY FOOTBALL SUCKS.

Tony Soprano once said, that 'remember when' is the lowest form of conversation. Fantasy Football is the lowest form of sports.



which is why I prefer what my friends came up with a few years ago.
We use college teams instead of players


there's 10 of us
he gets a college preview ranking issue for the year and separates
the teams into 10 groups of ten teams, ranking them so everyone gets what appears to be at the beginning an equal number of high to low ranked teams
( forgot how he does it,I'll have to ask again)- we do a drawing to see who gets
what grouping of teams.

we each go head to head with one person each week -3 weeks in the middle are double headers against 2 different people in our league- for first 10 weeks of season

the object- pick the team of your grouping you think will score the most points that week, or more than your opponent plus a different overtime team if needed.

most points wins of course.

if a team is off or playing a 1AA school that week, they are ineligible.
We are allowed/expected to use each team once and can only use 3 of the teams twice during the season. Thats where minor strategy/chance comes into it.

for instance- I had Washington State on my roster this year :y:

do I waste them early because I figure theyll never win or score enough points or do I look at their schedule for a weaker opponent ? Yep, I wasted them early haha

its more chance than strategy for everyone depending on if each week one of your teams is huge in the point spread department so to speak haha.

its cool- he e mails everyone excel spreads of our schedules so they are easy to identify and take care of
 
which is why I prefer what my friends came up with a few years ago.
We use college teams instead of players


there's 10 of us
he gets a college preview ranking issue for the year and separates
the teams into 10 groups of ten teams, ranking them so everyone gets what appears to be at the beginning an equal number of high to low ranked teams
( forgot how he does it,I'll have to ask again)- we do a drawing to see who gets
what grouping of teams.

we each go head to head with one person each week -3 weeks in the middle are double headers- for first 10 weeks of season

the object- pick the team of your grouping you think will score the most points that week, or more than your opponent plus a different overtime team if needed.

most points wins of course.

if a team is off or playing a 1AA school that week, they are ineligible.
We are allowed/expected to use each team once and can only use 3 of the teams twice during the season. Thats where minor strategy/chance comes into it.

for instance- I had Washington State on my roster this year :y:

do I waste them early because I figure theyll never win or score enough points or do I look at their schedule for a weaker opponent ? Yep, I wasted them early haha

its more chance than strategy for everyone depending on if each week one of your teams is huge in the point spread department so to speak haha.

its cool- he e mails everyone excel spreads of our schedules so they are easy to identify and take care of

That's actually a pretty interesting idea.
 
I love fantasy football but I get why some of you guys don't like the "Maddenization" of it with online leagues and auto-drafts the past few years. I started playing in an invite only league back in the early 90's with the sports writers from the paper that I worked at and the sportscasters from the local TV station. Everything was on paper back then and you knew if your team was having a good day but it was Tuesday afternoon before you could go into the sports department and see the hand tallied scores posted on the bulletin board. Good times!

I agree that it's gotten too easy for people with little football knowledge to jump right in and be competitive but those are also the people that aren't watching every tidbit of news coming out of the league on a weekly basis to know who is emerging and who is fading or who is a last minute inactive. I spend about 3-4 hours a week combined doing research for my 3 teams (2 high stakes $$ leagues and one free league with friends for bragging rights) and think I have an edge when it comes to grabbing the free agent off of the wire that can come in and immediately contribute. Like you guys said, any ass can grab big names but I'd argue that the big name people are a crap shoot over the long term of the season to deliver consistent results and that is what it is all about.

My teams were all under performing out of the gate but through the waiver wire and some good trades, I am looking good to repeat as champion in one league and should finish in the money in the two high stakes leagues.
 
Off topic, but I hope we do another VSN money league for fantasy baseball. Although we sure as fuck aren't giving the money to houtz, that curly headed fuck still hasn't sent me the money.

It would be nice to get a group of 12 guys who actually pay attention. Off memory, I think only Fedex, Leftwich, Kuzzy, and I were active. Might have forgotten someone though.

But like the rest of you, I don't know anyone in real life interested in doing a fantasy baseball league unless it's the once a week crap, and even then they'll forget about it by May.

I'd love to do this. I only have like 3 friends who are worth a damn for fantasy baseball. Tried to run a 10-team roto league once, and everyone complained about the scoring system. Also had a guy drop Dustin Pedroia at midseason, only to go on to win the AL MVP. I'm sure we could get 12 hardcore guys for a real VSN baseball league. Chances are, I won't be in any other leagues this season so I'm down.


As for Fantasy Football, agreed that it sucks now. I used to get really into it, and spend 2-3 hours a day looking at my lineups and shit, researching sleepers, etc. Now, I check my lineup for about 10 minutes every Sunday at noon. I'm in 2nd place.
 
So early interest in a fantasy baseball money league:
Active users from last year:
Goblinslayer
Fedex
Leftwich
Kuzzy
People interested:
Firsttimer
Leaffan
Nahste
W2b

That's eight...
 
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