Offical Dallas Cowboys Forum Thread

[steeljake]

well its an upgrade from brad johnson... sort of.

 

[kmanharris]

It is an upgrade over Johnson but for Henry? Please tell me it wasn't just straight up which is what I think it was.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Kitna is only decent under Martz.. and even then he's a walking turnover.

He's one of the worst QB's I've ever seen in my life. No joke. I don't think there was a happier Seahawk fan alive when Holmgren dumped his ass.

 

[steeljake]

cowboys sign lb keith brooking to a 3 yr deal

 

[kmanharris]

Kitna is only decent under Martz.. and even then he's a walking turnover.

He's one of the worst QB's I've ever seen in my life. No joke. I don't think there was a happier Seahawk fan alive when Holmgren dumped his ass.

Then you didn't see 89 year old brad johnson or 16 year old brooks bollinger play last year

 

[kmanharris]

I think the Brooking's signing will be good for Dallas. He wasn't costly and doesn't complain a lot.

 

[steeljake]

I think the Brooking's signing will be good for Dallas. He wasn't costly and doesn't complain a lot.

give him time to learn the T.O. way kman...

 

[Hasselbeck]

Then you didn't see 89 year old brad johnson or 16 year old brooks bollinger play last year

I have. And Kitna is right up there in overall shitty ness

 

[Rayman]

It is an upgrade over Johnson but for Henry? Please tell me it wasn't just straight up which is what I think it was.

We're going to be signing Shawn Springs and moving him to safety. Quote me.

And even after the RW11 trade, we still have a shitload of picks. We'll be drafting another CB in the mid rounds.

Kitna will fit right in in North Texas with all the other religious fanatics. He's also butt-ugly.

Also, to change the subject, I came across something on the TO front that wasn't considered, and I can't really say whether it's true or not, but it makes a ton of sense.

Apparently that T.O./Witten fight you all read about was actually between T.O. and Carpenter. At one point, Jason Witten came in to break it up, restraining T.O., and somehow it was written as T.O. and Witten duking it out. Apparently, T.O. and Carpenter have been at each other's throats since Carp's rookie year when T.O. and a couple of his buddies pulled a rookie hazing prank on him. Carp got really angry over it and T.O. told him something to the effect of him having a big mouth for a rookie. T.O. has ranted to those who would listen on more than one occasion about Carp being a "privileged punk" because his father played in the NFL and he had everything handed to him on a silver platter.

So when the Werder article came out, T.O. naturally suspected it was Carpenter (T.O. suspected as far back as 2006 that Carpenter was leaking things to the media about him). He went over to confront him about it and they got into a skirmish.

The player I spoke to said that Romo and Witten are pretty much indifferent towards T.O.. Romo in particular does not care at all about any of the T.O. media stuff (as you can imagine, he has much bigger things to worry about) and he likes the guy well enough. They've always been respectful of each other and joke around with one another quite a bit. On the other hand, Romo wouldn't lose sleep if T.O. were released. He's just not the kind of guy who really gets too passionate about things like that.

Witten is more sensitive to the feelings of others (i.e. Carpenter) regarding T.O. than Romo, but he's never had a problem with T.O. personally. He understands why some might, but he respects him as a player and T.O. has never said or done anything to him. He was surprised and upset over the Werder article, and started ranting about how it was "tabloid bullshit" for a good 10 minutes when this player asked him about it.

He said this locker room is actually really quiet most of the time...almost to the point of being awkward. He thinks it's hilarious that people on the outside think it's some sort of war zone because he believes the problem is players aren't aggressive enough. This is the most laid back football locker room this player has ever been a part of.

On the other hand, T.O. confronting Carpenter made people really uncomfortable because it was so out of character for the locker room. A lot of people had an "oh please tell me he's not going to..." expression on their face when he did it. Of course, many of these same guys had no problem ranting about "cowards" to the media.

Oh, and BTW, it was Owens who first called him "Barbie Carpenter," for those who aren't aware. That gives you an idea of the depth of their conflict

Take it with a grain of salt, but like I said, it makes a lot of sense if true. I can't think of a single reason for this scrub who has had one decent game in the NFL to constantly be appearing on ESPN.

I hate Carpenter anyway for defling The Manster's jersey the way she has during her NFL career.

 

[kmanharris]

Roy wants out

Roy wants out

http://www.truebluefanclub.com/blog...29d4c1dceea0&sid=sitelife.truebluefanclub.com

Heading into the draft in 2002, safety Roy Williams made it clear he wanted to play for the Cowboys. Now, nearly seven years and five Pro Bowls later, Williams is ready to part ways with the team.

Jordan Woy, the agent for Williams, has asked the team to trade or release the safety by today. The Cowboys had been shopping Williams in a trade, but can’t seem to find any takers. Letting Williams go would save the Cowboys about $2 million in cap space.

Woy spoke to KTCK (1310-AM) about Williams’ situation this morning. The transcript of the interview is below.

From a player’s standpoint, is it the sooner you get in the free agent market the better?

Woy: “There’s no question. Roy’s enjoyed his time with Dallas and liked playing for the Cowboys, but once you know that’s come to an end, the sooner you can get out there the better because as everybody knows, in free agency day-by-day-by-day as players are getting signed the money that’s available starts to go down and starts to eventually run out. So the sooner that he gets out there, the better for his opportunities.

Is it safe to assume then that Williams’ career in Dallas is over?

Woy: “I would say that’s probably correct.”

Do you detect that the Cowboys are getting any interest in the trade market?

Woy: “I know that they’ve had some good talks. But like everything else it comes down to, teams have to look at a player’s salary cap number, they have to look at how does this fit in, how does it affect our cap. I think there’s been some good constructive talks. Whether something will get done or not, it’s hard for me to say. It’s hard to trade a player who has a high salary . . . Teams realize if a trade doesn’t work out they’ll have a shot at picking a player up without any draft compensation, and that’s obviously what they prefer to do because draft picks are very important to every team.

Have any teams whispered to you that if Roy is available to be sure to call them?

Woy: “I was at the Combine for about five days, and you talk to a lot of teams and you run into a lot of people and everybody kind of keeps their eyes and ears open to who may or may not be out there. I don’t think there’s any question, there are a handful of teams I think will show interest in Roy and will think Roy will be a good fit for them. But no, I haven’t had any types of substantial talks or anything like that with any teams at this point. We’re waiting until the Cowboys make their decision on either to trade or release him and then we’ll hit the ground running from there.

What happened to Roy? His first few years he was a better player.

Woy: “I think the defensive scheme changed. In the early days Roy was much more up on the line and attacking plays and doing his thing. In the defense they’ve moved to in the last few years, he’s more a guy who’s back off the line, he has to do a lot more covering. It just doesn’t play into Roy’s style of play as well.

-Josh Ellis

lol at roy giving the Dallas Cowboys an ultimatum

 

[kmanharris]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm?id=CECF8CF3-D1B1-A9FB-E0C836BD5E2779D5&contentType=5

COURTNEY SCHROEDER, GREENSBURG, IN: You may have a field day with this one, but any chance a trade of Tony Romo for Jay Cutler has merit? Just a thought with Mike Shanahan possibly the coach after next year. Not sure how their contracts stack up, but it seems Cutler is a rising star and Tony Turnover is regressing.

Rob: Oh boy. I like Cutler, but if he's a such rising star then why is he supposedly being shopped around? Nevermind, it doesn't matter. Romo's not going anywhere.

Josh: I don't think either team would do it, unless things really go south in Cutler's relationship with the Broncos. Even then, they would probably send him to a team with no quarterback and get a high pick. The Cowboys believe Romo is their franchise quarterback, and you can't deny there are times when he really plays outstanding. He could stand to reign himself in sometimes, though. It'll never happen, but just in terms of 'What-If,' I think the Cowboys would have to seriously consider making that trade.

Nick: Rising star, huh? First off, you're not getting rid of Romo. Cutting someone and trading them is exactly the same in terms of signing bonus proration. It doesn't matter how a player leaves your roster, you still take an enormous hit. That being said, it's not even worth discussing. I'd take Romo over Cutler any day. You say rising star? I see a 17-20 overall record as a quarterback. Give me Romo all day.

This is from dallascowboys.com. Romo haters are one thing, Dallas Cowboy fans who are Romo haters is ridiculous. I have read some fans on the Dallas Cowboys group on facebook saying the same thing. I want to punch them all in the face and punt their babies. They are bandwagon fans who are fans for the good times and hate the team when we lose.

 

[kmanharris]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm?id=D945BFC1-0C81-0D05-C20085E4B7F99446

Four days after losing Chris Canty to the Giants, the Cowboys have brought in Chargers free-agent defensive end Igor Olshansky to Valley Ranch for a visit.

Olshansky, a 2004 second-round pick of the Chargers, is arguably the best available free-agent defensive end. He played three years for Cowboys head coach Wade Phillips, who worked as San Diego's defensive coordinator from 2004-06.

Phillips spent some time late Thursday afternoon showing his former starter in San Diego around, and Olshansky also met with Cowboys executive vice president Stephen Jones, who had returned from Florida where he was attending NFL committee meetings and join owner Jerry Jones late Wednesday night informing Owens he was being released.

The 26-year-old Olshansky (6-6, 309) had 54 tackles and two sacks last season.

Three-year veterans Jason Hatcher and Stephen Bowen are the current candidates to replace Canty, though the Cowboys seem intent on signing Olshansky if they can agree on money.

 

[Rayman]

Igor Coming To Town
Posted by mickshot at 3/6/2009 5:32 PM CST on truebluefanclub.com

Free agent defensive end Igor Olshanky came into town during Thursday's commotion for a visit, and the Dallas Cowboys made sure he didn't leave town on Friday without signing a contract, which is exactly what he did around 5:30 p.m. (CST), putting his name on a four-year deal.Olshanky, a five-year starter in San Diego signed a four-year, $18 million deal, with roughly $8 million guaranteed.
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[Rayman]

^^^^ I think this is a great pickup imo now that we lost Canty to the Giants he should step right in and play at a pro bowl level

Yankee fan, Cowboy fan, and a Boricua at that.


I think I'm gonna like this guy.

 

[Rayman]

Cowboys draft was pure horsehit. With the pick we gave to Detroit in the 3rd round, the Lions used it on Derrick Williams, WR out of Penn State. I remember when that dude was being recruited as the Top Prospect as an Athlete (QB, RB, WR, DB). He was that good coming out of high school ... but made a dumb decision to go to a school that made him the #1 wideout on a running team. Anyways, I was really hoping that the Cowboys would draft him but it looks like instead we wasted it on Robert Brewster. I say Brewster because he has less of a shot at seeing playing time than Jason Williams. If you're going to draft for depth on the offensive line, you don't draft them so early, especially when it was only your second fucking pick in the whole god-forsaken draft. So we draft Brewster, a player that will see almost no playing time this season, instead of a player of Derrick Williams' talent only to take a WR that might be better than Juaquin Iglesias in the 7th round. FWIW, Williams was drafted before Iglesias.

Of our draft choices, I like the odds of 1 of the 3 4th round picks having a better career than anybody else on this list, with the exception of maybe Mickens out of Cincinnati.. My money is Brandon Williams being the better 4th round pick.

OLB Jason Williams, Western Illinois
Who? He's 6'1, 241-lbs. Athletic and fast as hell. Sounds fine and dandy with me ... until I realized that we pretty much wasted our first draft selection on a god damn special teams player.

OT Robert Brewster, Ball State
Good size. Likely to move inside at guard. Perfect, logical choice ... until you consider that Jamon Meredith went in the 5th round to the fucking Packers. Meredith had the best technique out of a lot of the linemen. You need guys that have a fucking clue the first day they get in the NFL. Meredith already had a fucking clue. His technique was pretty sound. Could definatly be stronger, meatier, whatever, but that's why they pay for their trainers. Meredith is more NFL ready than most linemen that were drafted before him, excluding those in the First Round.

QB Stephen McGee, Texas A&M
Good prospect for a career backup. Mike Sherman, apparently his coach, says he's a good prospect for the NFL. I make it a point to point that out because I ready that Mike Sherman should know because he coached Brett Favre at Green Bay. Ummm, last I checked Mike Holmgren put Brett Favre on the fucking map and Favre took it from there. Sherman did not have much to do in molding him. Still, I like him as a developmental pick.

DE Victor Butler, Oregon State
6'2" 248-lb defensive end ... that will definatly be moving to OLB because his size warrents no look at DE in the 3-4 scheme. Once again, he's a special teams player and likely won't see that many snaps as a backup DE. On paper, he's small.

DE Brandon Williams, Texas Tech
6'5" 252-lbs, another OLB prospect. Better size than Butler and there is word that he would have been better served playing his final season at Texas Tech instead of entering the draft.

CB DeAngelo Smith, Cincinnati
Decent size, zone coverage cornerback. Could be moved to safety if we wanted but with the losses of Henry and Jones, he's got better odds as the 4th or 5th corner.

FS Michael Hamlin, Clemson
Great size for a safety. Not particularly fast but hits hard.

K David Buehler, USC Trojans
Ummmmmm, can someone please shoot Jerry Jones for me. I'd really fucking appreciate it. Nick Folk was 91% on his field goals last season and perfect on his PATs. I understand the need for competition ... but why waste a fucking draft pick on a kicker when you could just as fucking easily pick one up in the free agency pool after the fucking draft. When your kicker has already solidified his roster spot during the last two seasons of fantastic play, why would you waste a draft choice on a kicker? Ummm, according to Jerry Jones, it's because he's a physical specimen.

SS Stephen Hodge, TCU
Just more roster fodder as we continue our search for a starting safety that can cover and is not scared to tackle after the NFL Rules Committee names one specifically after you when you couldn't tackle in the first place. Oh, I'll give Roy Williams credit for having a vice grip on the backside neck of the shoulder pads. That takes some serious muscles to be able to grab a hold of that spot, hang on for dear life and drag someone down that is going full speed.

TE John Phillips, Virginia
Need pick. 3rd TE, won't see a lot of snaps. Perfect spot to be drafted. Makes the most logical sense.

CB Mike Mickens, Cincinnati
When was the last time the Cowboys picked two players from the same University that plays the same position? According to reports, he is better than his partner, DeAngelo Smith. Led the nation in interceptions, blazing fast. You can't coach speed ... well, yes you actually can, but the deal here is that he already comes with speed. Could push for the nickel duties. Great value pick.

WR Manuel Johnson, Oklahoma
Heard that he was better at catching the ball than Iglesias and he's got good speed. He definately has a shot at slot receiver, most likely seeing more time at the 4th or 5th spot though.

Let's break it down.

I think the J. Williams pick is solid. Dude's very raw but already shows flashes of being a playmaker. 14 Forced fumbles for his career. Former safety. Dude could be our Joker next to Bradie James for a long time.

Not crazy about Brewster, but let's be honest, when was the last time we drafted a quality offensive lineman? Par for the course.

Really like the McGee pick, even though I would have preferred Bomar. Heard many a scout say McGee was cast in the wrong offense and will be a solid pro with some fine tuning. Might be the guy to run some wildcat stuff, but otherwise won't see the field as long as Kitna's here and Romo stays healthy.

Butler will be a good special teamer if nothing else. This and B.Williams starts to signal the end of Greg Ellis' tenure.

B.Williams led the Big 12 in sacks last year. Same conference as Orakpo. I look forward to this guy being a future in our rush packages. He's gonna contribute. Room to grow.

Smith compares to Scandrick in some ways and if he's anything like Scandrick, we got good value. Might be a contributor at FS.

Hamlin - No comment. I was hoping McBath would fall to us, couldn't believe we passed on Sean Smith.

Buehler? Buehler? (lol) Seriously, I was irate when I first heard this one too, but upon further evaluation, this pick makes sense. Why? Well, as clutch as Nick Folk has been, his kickoffs have been shit. Buehler can boom them, sending 54.4% for touchbacks in his collegiate career. Not only that, but he's not going to be a target to be run over should a returner break one on us. The guy can tackle and as stated, is a physical specimen (outbenched a few top tier linemen at the combine). This could be a boon for our special teams (more on that in a moment).

Hodge is camp fodder.

Phillips is an upgrade to Tony Curtis. Can play H-back as well. Solid pickup for his draft position.

Mickens if healthy could be the steal of the draft. Meniscus is a concern, but our training staff is among the best. This guy makes the 53 for sure.

Manuel Johnson - More special teams fodder. Decent returner, has potential to be something more, but let's cross that bridge when we get there.

All in all, this draft wasn't sexy at all, as we've been accustomed to. But to me, there were three significant weaknesses over the last year with this football team:

Crippling mistakes - This is penalties, miscues, blown assignments, whatever. This falls on the coaching staff. Can't say what's gonna happen this year, but if those guys have any pride, I would think they would place emphasis on fixing this issue. Also, someone has to reign in Romo, and if we move towards a ball control offense like I think we should, that goes a long way toward doing so.

Depth at key positions (QB, LB) - Guys got hurt, we couldn't deal. Brad Johnson blew goats, Bollinger wasn't much better. Kitna is a massive upgrade behind Romo. McGee I think really has a chance to be special. All these new LBs won't pay immediate dividends, but they will be contributers and they have the potential to have long careers.

Special Teams - Contrary to popular belief, this killed us more than just about anything last year. Singlehandedly cost us the Arizona game. Bruce Read was awful. Kickoff and kick coverage were putrid. We consistently lost the battle for field position, except for punting, because IMO Matt McBriar is the best in the league. And then he broke his foot and we were royally fucked on ST.

We now have a kicker who can actually boot the ball past the 10 and potentially get many touchbacks which will go a long way with our defense continuing to improve under Wade (one of the few things he's doing right). Also, every single one of these players is capable of providing a boost on kick coverage and most importantly, they're all hungry. That's exactly the type of guys you want on you coverage teams. Let's face it, talent is not the Dallas Cowboys' problem. We have the biggest OLine in football. We have the best QB in the conference. We have the best TE. We have a guy who may not be the best WR in the league, but has to potential to be up there. We have this three headed monster at RB. And like it or not, we have a very solid D which continues to get better. Our biggest weakness was clearly special teams and with these kids and the firing of Bruce Read (Joe DeCamillis is considered one of the best in the game), that hopefully won't be an issue.

Yeah, the Giants and Eagles had great drafts. Sexy picks. That's fine. The Eagles will always concern me, but I believe that when focused, they can be handled. Our guys can cover Maclin and Jackson. We just have to keep the pressure on McChunky.

I still believe we're better than the Giants and it's been proven that when we bring our A game, they can't touch us.

We'll see how we look in camp.

 

[kmanharris]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4199484

Looks like Ellis is on his way out.

DALLAS -- Dallas Cowboys veteran outside linebacker Greg Ellis finally may get his wish to be traded or released by the club, as the Cowboys have reached out to at least two teams to measure interest in a deal, according to a club source.
Wade Phillips on 2009 season

NFL.com Video

Cowboys coach Wade Phillips looks ahead on the 2009 season.
AOL Fanhouse first reported the story Thursday evening, indicating the Cowboys had approached the New England Patriots and Cincinnati Bengals about a possible trade. Ellis has longtime ties to Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer, who held the same position with the Cowboys.

Ellis, 33, did not participate in Thursday's organized team activities session. If the Cowboys release him, which seems the most likely result, they'll save the $4.15 million he's scheduled to make in 2009.

Ellis' agent, James Williams, told The Dallas Morning News on Thursday that his client was "looking forward to being a Dallas Cowboy [in 2009]," but that his future was out of their hands.

Ellis has grumbled about his role on the team ever since Bill Parcells moved him from defensive end to outside linebacker in 2006, but he hasn't said anything this offseason. Last year, the Cowboys were set to make Anthony Spencer the starter ahead of Ellis, but Spencer couldn't stay on the field because of injuries.

In last month's draft, the Cowboys focused on players who could help them on the pass rush, so Ellis' status became even more tenuous.

Ellis, a former first-round pick, spent eight years at defensive end before being moved to outside linebacker. He excelled at the position and was having a solid season in 2006 when he ruptured his Achilles tendon against the Arizona Cardinals, an injury that contributed to the Cowboys' late-season struggles. He bounced back to have 12.5 sacks in 2007 and made his first Pro Bowl appearance.

If he's released, the Bengals, Patriots and Miami Dolphins could be likely destinations.

Matt Mosley covers the NFC East for ESPN.com.

 

[Rayman]

Found this on another board. Good points

Only in Dallas....

..........can a pass rusher collect 20 sacks in a single season - leading the entire NFL - and be accused of not doing enough - people like Sapp saying, "He needs to step it up."


..........can an undrafted QB come out of nowhere and lead his team to a franchise-best 13-3 record, win 66% of all his games, break numerous franchise records held by pro legends Aikman, Staubach, and others, earn 2-time Pro Bowl honors..........................and have fans calling for his head and demanding that he be traded for Jay Cutler.


..........can a head coach who has a 22-11 career record in Dallas and whose playcalling led to his defense leading the entire NFL with 59 sacks have people calling for his head and have media provocateurs question if his job is in jeopardy.


..........can a quarterback (an offensive player) be blamed for a playoff loss that was mostly the fault of defense and special teams.



..........can fans forget about how bad Carter, Leaf, Stoerner, Hutchinson, Cunningham, Testaverde, Henson, Wright, etc. were - none of whom ever won a playoff game for the Cowboys

 

[Rayman]

BTW, called it after the draft ended.

Butler will be a good special teamer if nothing else. This and B.Williams starts to signal the end of Greg Ellis' tenure.

 

[Rayman]

Robert Brewster tore his pectoral muscle during workouts and will miss training camp.

This team has the worst luck with drafting offensive linemen...

 

[Derrville]

Robert Brewster tore his pectoral muscle during workouts and will miss training camp.

This team has the worst luck with drafting offensive linemen...

Mother fucker.... I was looking forward to watching him.