Anyone Else Tired of Tim Tebow

[killgod]

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One anti-gay quote from Tebow... just one.. Show it to me. And then I'll believe he's merely "using" a pro football career to further the anti-homosexual movement.

He has to verbally quote it for it to count?

I'll become part of the "I hate negro's group" but I'll never say a word about it, then become an NFL star, preach to the media about how awesome my group leader is but never say a bad word to the media about how I think negro's are.

We're good, right?


I can play the absurd example card too.

 

[FirstTimer]

Not really. Look which forum you're in and tell me what Tebow's thoughts on homosexuality had to do with the game yesterday.

Again, I've never said he was dumb enough toc ome otu and spout it. But aligning yuorself with an organization like Focus on the Family brings it into question.

I'm not assuming Tebow feels any certain way that whay I want him to be asked about it.

Was taking to task to harsh a term? Sure whatever.

Point stands.

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And then I'll believe he's merely "using" a pro football career to further the anti-homosexual movement.

No one ever implied he was.

 

[killgod]

Tim Tebow is the ONLY evangelical Christian in the NFL now?

I don't know?

I'd probably know if others were using the NFL as a platform, but they aren't, therefore I don't have a problem with them.


Continue with the "woe is Tebow" though and fail to see that difference.

 

[FirstTimer]

Tim Tebow is the ONLY evangelical Christian in the NFL now?

Oh come on.

Tebow is clearly the most out there by a wide margin, he's the most vocal, and he's the only NFL player I can thinkof currently playign who has openly admtted to using the NFL as a platform to help spread his beliefs from.

:yawn:

 

[killgod]

You two should get on the same page...

We're not, so what?

I didn't realize it was FT/Me vs you? I have my own thoughts on this.

 

[FirstTimer]

You two should get on the same page...

I blame redtube.

mea culpa.

 

[killgod]

To be honest I didn't know he was either before this thread because they only thing I've heard him do is thank Jesus... Lots of people thank Jesus.. All kinds of Christians.

You're belittling his efforts to justify your position and being ignorant to how he's different than others in his expression.

You refuse to be reasonable and see it any other way, so we're at an impasse on this point as far as I can see.

 

[killgod]

Nothing out of the ordinary here.

All Christian players have a move associated with them praying after every drive.


Totally the same, he's no different.


























Or he's got a cult like following.....














...like all NFL Christians....
















:yao:

 

[FirstTimer]

Again.. He's spreading his beliefs by being who he is, not by what he is saying.

:jonesy:

I'm I would think that by him saying things it helps spread his beliefs.

And you guys are giving him shit for being intolerant.

I personally am not(right now). I'm wanting the questions asked because the group his is preaching his beliefs with and the organizations he has aligned himself with have a decent history of intolerance. I'm with holding judgement of Tebow personally.

I said I wanted questions asked about Tebow personally. To see where he stands.

I haven't passed any judgement on Tebow personally as far as him hating gays(and others). I've said the people he aligns himself with seem to so I think it would be a fair and relevant question to ask him for a guy that is so open, out there, and using his fame as an obvious platform to spread beliefs from.

 

[FirstTimer]

Mark Bavaro... His head.. On a pike..

BRING IT TO ME NAO!

/killgod

I don't recall the "Bavoring phase" of the NFL public. Unless they mean being smelly and Italian.

 

[killgod]

Bavaroing ever become popular with small children?

 

[jms493]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI5-u7piPgY"]Mark Bavaro NY Giants Feature NFL Films.f4v - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Juggernaut]

Here's Phillp Rivers using his influence on children that support his belief that we should practice abstinence.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6VFjy6lbBA"]Philip Rivers on San Diego Pacific Surge Student Conference - YouTube[/ame]

Deion Sanders is semi vocal on his beliefs. He still mentors youth about religion.

Kurt Warner thanked Jesus after he won the superbowl.

All use their role in society to spread their beliefs. Being able to vocalize your beliefs is a fundamental right in our country.

 

[ralaw]

All use their role in society to spread their beliefs. Being able to vocalize your beliefs is a fundamental right in our country.

Unless you are Muslim or athiest.

 

[killgod]

Maybe Tebow has just been Bavaroing the whole time? Add that to FT's list of salient questions for sportswriters to run by this guy.

I do know that people have been kneeling down in the end zone since I've known what a football was.

And like I said before.. If someone's religious beliefs are swayed by someone throwing a TD pass is that Tebow's fault?

Weak minded people would just find something else to latch onto.

I thought I put a picture of him praying on the sidelines, routinely done throughout a game. We're not talking about the few times a year someone scores a touchdown.

If a child who's idolzing Tebow chooses his religious path, then yeah you could say it's his fault that he influenced that child into believing in it.

Much like advertising convinces people to go out and buy shit, how is it any different? He's advertising his faith, he's not just kneeling and thanking God privately for a TD, he's sharing it multiple times an event both through action and words.

All kids want to be like their heroes...so if you're going to be a hero you should probably keep something as complicated as religion to yourself IMO.

 

[FirstTimer]

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Being able to vocalize your beliefs is a fundamental right in our country.

Ok.

I never said he shouldn't have the right to.

Add that to FT's list of salient questions for sportswriters to run by this guy.

:yawn:

Never said it had to be sportswriters.

If someone's religious beliefs are swayed by someone throwing a TD pass is that Tebow's fault?

No.

And that's not the issue.

 

[ralaw]

 

[FirstTimer]

All kids want to be like their heroes...so if you're going to be a hero you should probably keep something as complicated as religion to yourself IMO.

This is where I differ from KG slightly. I'm not saying he shouldn't talk about his beliefs, but if he's up there saying he's using this platform to do this or that then I think it's only right and fair that questions be asked about what he actually believes, what he is spreading, and why he aligns himself with certain groups that are pretty damn intolerant.

 

[killgod]

This is where I differ from KG slightly. I'm not saying he shouldn't talk about his beliefs, but if he's up there saying he's using this platform to do this or that then I think it's only right and fair that questions be asked about what he actually believes, what he is spreading, and why he aligns himself with certain groups that are pretty damn intolerant.

I thought we were supposed to be fighting the same "battle" and then when you come to a stalemate you tell the other person "AH HA, I haveth stumped you villian, thou must leaveth thy thread for I shall claim victorious glory!"

It's a matter of opinion and nobody here is really wrong because depending on your perception, what is right and wrong will be different to each other.

I do find it amusing how glen is in denial of facts even though a simple google of "tebow using NFL as platform" will give you direct quotes from him out the wazoo.

 

[killgod]

I've conceded that.. But I still don't see your solution to how we save our youth from such a menace.

I do enjoy your scathing exaggeration, shows your ability to debate on even footing.

These kids aren't going to inquire about what he believes in as they grow up watching him?

Assuming he does support all the beliefs of his religious choice, these kids will find out he thinks being gay is wrong......

Then what?

Hate themselves for being gay?
Hate gays?
What?


Big reason why I...and I believe FT...think that question should be asked. (oh to be clear and avoid another repeated dumbass comment, asked in the PROPER SETTING...derp)