Are Bucs Trying to Trade Up For Suh?

[Yawkey Way]

What happened to Aaron Curry anyways?

 

[stevsta]

I still can't see the Rams passing on Clausen/Bradford .. neither guy may be the Matt Ryan, Mark Sanchez type.. but when you are fixing to start Craig Null - that doesn't really matter.

When you have been as miserable a franchise as the Rams have for the past several years, you take a QB to begin the rebuilding process. They have their hopeful franchise tackle (Jason Smith), Suh is a nice player but will he really win games for them? I don't think so. They NEED a QB. That's why Clausen or Bradford will be the pick.. depending on who has the better offseason.

the rams problem dont start with qb quite the opposite its our line all we need is a gamecordinator qb some one who can hand the ball off and throw a 5 and out and once in a while a long ball it makes no sense to draft a qb who will demand large sums of money and not even have weapons for him or a line with suh our defensive line would be long, Carriker, suh, and im not sure who will fill this out but it seems like worst case scenario James hall or best case we sign a julius, unless by some miracle we get 2 #1 with 1 being in the top 10 then i cannot see us trading down or picking up clausen however this is rams management so :shot:

 

[Hasselbeck]

What happened to Aaron Curry anyways?

Mix of bad coaching (they tried to make him a coverage LB.. god knows why) and just a lack of talent around him.

Curry will be a fine player and may make a few Pro Bowls.. but outside linebackers don't carry your team deep into the playoffs.. usually it's a group effort, a good quarterback can almost will the team to be competitive.

I agree with W2B in that if you blow a high first round pick it sets the franchise back years, but if you whiff on a DT that hurts just as bad as whiffing on the QB.

 

[stevsta]

I think this would be the case.. whether they stay at #1 or move to #3.. they will take a QB IMO. And they should. Like Detroit last year with Stafford. Like Atlanta with Ryan.

the thing with stafford and ryan are those teams had those top talent wrs the rams have nothing except "potential":club:

 

[stevsta]

Noone should ever trade up for a DT.

In my opinion DT's come a dime a dozen, and rarely pan out to what they should have been.

Plus there isn't a single DT in this league that is good enough to change an entire defense.

haynesworth in 2008 says hello

Btw im too lazy to just have one post with 3 different quotes

 

[JeremyHight]

the thing with stafford and ryan are those teams had those top talent wrs the rams have nothing except "potential":club:

Atlanta had "top talent wrs"? You could maybe argue White, but getting 1200 yards when your team is behind all season and passing constantly isn't all that impressive. Plus, his previous two seasons were nothing spectacular at all.

I said it before and I'll say it again, the Rams will take a QB. They need someone who will put butts in the seats and sell some jerseys. Bradford or Clausen can do that, Suh cannot. This same thing happened last year in Detroit with fans coming out in huge numbers chanting Curry's name and even Curry saying he would take less money than Stafford. But in the end, the team took the QB because if you are going to spend that much money, you better invest it in the most expensive position on the field.

 

[BigBucs]

I dont think its necessary. IMO we are guaranteed a game changer at 3 whether it be Suh, Mcoy or Berry. We need to keep our picks and stock pile on talent where ever we can. As bad as we were last year we are not in bad a shape as it seems. A handful of holes being filled can turn things around.

Noone should ever trade up for a DT.

In my opinion DT's come a dime a dozen, and rarely pan out to what they should have been.

Plus there isn't a single DT in this league that is good enough to change an entire defense.

They said the same thing about Aaron Curry last year. That he was the surest thing in the draft. Mark Sanchez was the risk.

Defensive tackles and linebackers don't turn a team into a Super Bowl contender. A good quarterback does.

I'm not saying the Rams will get to Super Bowl XLV with Jimmy Clausen or Sam Bradford, but they are much more likely to turn the franchise around with one of them if they pan out well, than a guy like McCoy or Suh.

Says Hello​

 

[stevsta]

Atlanta had "top talent wrs"? You could maybe argue White, but getting 1200 yards when your team is behind all season and passing constantly isn't all that impressive. Plus, his previous two seasons were nothing spectacular at all.

I said it before and I'll say it again, the Rams will take a QB. They need someone who will put butts in the seats and sell some jerseys. Bradford or Clausen can do that, Suh cannot. This same thing happened last year in Detroit with fans coming out in huge numbers chanting Curry's name and even Curry saying he would take less money than Stafford. But in the end, the team took the QB because if you are going to spend that much money, you better invest it in the most expensive position on the field.

I did not mean a full roster of top talent wr's I was mainly talking about Johnson and White.

those wrs are probably in most top 20 or even 10 of wrs in the nfl

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The Rams don't need a QB, they need football players. They have the worst roster I've ever seen. They need to gtake a sure thing, not gamble with a QB and pay a QB premium. Trading down is fine, I can live with that, as long as they don't blow a high pick on a QB.

Suh is a monster. Take the guy and excite the fan base a little. I have no interest in seeing Bradford or Clausen play like shit, get boo'd by week 7, and ultimately bust out. Bulger is fine.

 

[Wildcard]

I don't know... If I was a Buccs fan I don't see how I could be 100% behind drafting Suh. He is a defensive tackle... he still doesn't have anyone on the line of scrimmage that can help him. Also DT's have such a bad history of panning out. The offensive lines in College are so much different than the pro's it's almost impossible to judge talent from the DT position.

Quote me, mark my words, hate me. If the Buccs draft Suh they will regret it.


Also BigBuccs brings up Warren Sapp like Sapp didn't have help every where on the field. That amazing Buccs D is a lot different from the Buccs D they have now.

Where is Brooks, Barber, Lynch, Rice?

I'm not shitting on the Buccs. I just think this is a horrible, HORRIBLE, decision.

 

[RyanLeaf16]

Didn't the Glazers refinance their debt? Perhaps they are in a better place now?

The Bucs need some juice to sell tickets, as well as a better D-line. I'd love to see Suh in Tampa.

Having said that, this speculation is pure fantasy. I suspect the Bucs will trade down their #3 pick to stockpile. Then we have the uncertainty of 2011, which doesn't bode well for major moves.

They are attempting to refinance the debt with a bond issue right now. The move will likely be successful as a lot of investors will likely be willing to take a risk for such a high yield.

However, the statements made by Mark Dominik and others regarding the Bucs really tell the story here. They either just don't want to invest the cash required to sign free agents or they don't have the cash available to sign free agents with the signing bonuses that will be required.

The Bucs have already slashed ticket prices in the hopes to attract more season ticket holders to either renew or bring new people into the fold. I don't see it working though. The Glazers went from being fantastic owners to the most polarizing figures in Tampa sports. Their token gestures of lowering ticket prices while not acquiring better talent says a lot and people see through it.

 

[Esjay]

I don't know... If I was a Buccs fan I don't see how I could be 100% behind drafting Suh. He is a defensive tackle... he still doesn't have anyone on the line of scrimmage that can help him. Also DT's have such a bad history of panning out. The offensive lines in College are so much different than the pro's it's almost impossible to judge talent from the DT position.

Quote me, mark my words, hate me. If the Buccs draft Suh they will regret it.


Also BigBuccs brings up Warren Sapp like Sapp didn't have help every where on the field. That amazing Buccs D is a lot different from the Buccs D they have now.

Where is Brooks, Barber, Lynch, Rice?

I'm not shitting on the Buccs. I just think this is a horrible, HORRIBLE, decision.

Sapp was the best player on those defenses. A dominating defensive tackle completely changes the game, you have it ass backwards.

D line = most important thing on a defense

 

[SuperKevin]

Defensive Tackle is the most important position on defense. Having a strong DT opens up the edges for your pass rushers and opens up holes for your linebackers. That in turn creates pressure which forces QBs to make poor decisions which bails out your secondary.

 

[RyanLeaf16]

Also BigBuccs brings up Warren Sapp like Sapp didn't have help every where on the field. That amazing Buccs D is a lot different from the Buccs D they have now.

Where is Brooks, Barber, Lynch, Rice?

I'm not shitting on the Buccs. I just think this is a horrible, HORRIBLE, decision.

Are you serious? Explain to me how Sapp wasn't a game changer? John Randle and Warren Sapp were the best under tackles in the last 20 years. Both players revolutionized the tackle position. You are saying that a defensive tackle who racked up 29.5 sacks in a two year span wasn't pivotal to the building of a Super Bowl caliber defense. First, Ronde Barber didn't even become a full-time starter until 1999 - Sapp's 5th season in the league. Further, Simeon Rice didn't even sign with the Bucs as a free agent until 2001. Sapp had already racked up 59 career sacks when Rice signed on with the Bucs and had already appeared in 5 playoff games and 1 conference championship up to that point. Rice was a complement to Sapp...not the other way around. Sapp is not a dime-a-dozen defensive tackle. He is the best defensive tackle of the last generation. You have yet to get the same production out of a tackle since Randle and Sapp.

 

[NAHSTE]

Atlanta had "top talent wrs"? You could maybe argue White, but getting 1200 yards when your team is behind all season and passing constantly isn't all that impressive. Plus, his previous two seasons were nothing spectacular at all.

I said it before and I'll say it again, the Rams will take a QB. They need someone who will put butts in the seats and sell some jerseys. Bradford or Clausen can do that, Suh cannot. This same thing happened last year in Detroit with fans coming out in huge numbers chanting Curry's name and even Curry saying he would take less money than Stafford. But in the end, the team took the QB because if you are going to spend that much money, you better invest it in the most expensive position on the field.

Are you even serious right now? Roddy White posted a 1200 yard, 6 TD performance with Joey Harrington and Chris Redman throwing to him. Then he had another 1200 yard performance (7 TDs) Ryan's rookie year. Then he posted a third-straight 1200 (1150, but still) yard performance this year, with 11 TDs, all with Ryan missing 3 games.

Roddy White is a top 10 WR, was a first round pick, and is among the best in the league in terms of hands and body control. To say he's not a top talent would put you squarely in the "no idea what I'm talking about" camp, which is rare for you.

I'm sorry, but saying that a guy with 3-straight 1150 yard seasons (and a former first round pick) is not a top talent is ludicrous. You really gonna knock him for having an underwhelming first couple of seasons?

 

[Tengo Juego]

I wouldn't trade up for Suh. They'd be giving up too much for a guy who may be a 13 year starter but has limited potential. They are better off hoping Detroit takes Eric Berry and lets Gerald McCoy fall to them

Limited potential? :smh: Slap yourself.

 

[mcstl25]

Yeah, but I dont see how Adam Carriker or Damione Lewis not working out has any bearing on how Suh turns out. The past is the past.

Chris Long looked like a beast the second half of the year, but I think I was the only one watching and I could have very well been a figment of my imagination.

I'm not saying that Suh will be a bust, I just wouldn't be able to stand another 1st round DL bust. Don't forget about Ryan Pickett and Jimmy Kennedy either. The Rams drafted 5 defensive linemen in the first round last decade and Long is the only one with the chance to make a real impact with the Rams. (Maybe Carriker?)

If the Rams are unable to trade the first pick, I really hope they pick Suh. However, I wouldn't mind seeing them add additional picks in a deal.

 

[JeremyHight]

Are you even serious right now? Roddy White posted a 1200 yard, 6 TD performance with Joey Harrington and Chris Redman throwing to him. Then he had another 1200 yard performance (7 TDs) Ryan's rookie year. Then he posted a third-straight 1200 (1150, but still) yard performance this year, with 11 TDs, all with Ryan missing 3 games.

Roddy White is a top 10 WR, was a first round pick, and is among the best in the league in terms of hands and body control. To say he's not a top talent would put you squarely in the "no idea what I'm talking about" camp, which is rare for you.

I'm sorry, but saying that a guy with 3-straight 1150 yard seasons (and a former first round pick) is not a top talent is ludicrous. You really gonna knock him for having an underwhelming first couple of seasons?

Yes, I am going to knock him for having underwhelming seasons to start his career when the line of discussion was that Atlanta HAD to draft a QB to help their great talent at WR at the time. Has he continued to be solid since then? Definitely. But the point being made was that Atlanta drafted Ryan because White was so good that they needed to draft a QB.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I'm not saying that Suh will be a bust, I just wouldn't be able to stand another 1st round DL bust. Don't forget about Ryan Pickett and Jimmy Kennedy either. The Rams drafted 5 defensive linemen in the first round last decade and Long is the only one with the chance to make a real impact with the Rams. (Maybe Carriker?)

If the Rams are unable to trade the first pick, I really hope they pick Suh. However, I wouldn't mind seeing them add additional picks in a deal.

I agree 100%.

Well, not really 100%, because I don't want a QB under any circumstance. But trading down to stockpile, and "settling" for Berry or McCoy (not Colt) would be fine with me.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I tend to agree with this sentiment - if you can dominate the line and get consistent pressure on the QB you don't need great talent at LB or in the secondary to be a very good defense. If you have talent back there then your defense can dominate. The 70's Steelers 'Steel Curtain' defense was built from the line back.

This is the exact formula that Spagnuolo lucked into with the Giants. He had that killer D-line with Strahan, Tuck, Osi, Kiwanuka, etc getting constant pressure without having to blitz. There is nothing creative or innovative that the guy did in NY. Jerry Reese built a dominant D-line, and Spags weasled his way to a head coaching job.

He can potentially put together something similar with guys like Little, Long, Suh, Carriker, Clifton Ryan, etc.

Take Suh, it's pretty much a no brainer. No need to get cute.