Hide Yo Kids. Paterno/Sandusky Trial/Penn State Megathread

[FedEx227]

I think a majority of us said the entire program needs to get taken apart...

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

After reading the grand jury report, Paterno is pretty low on my list of people I would hold accountable.

I still want to hear him speak on his relationship with Sandusky, what he said to who and when he said it, and I want to hear HIM answer to why Sandusky was still (allegedly) hanging around.

The police knew anbout Sandusky twice and did not follow up. One of those times, they recorded a phone conversation where Sandusky confessed to a parent. The DA knew about Sandusky and failed to folllow up on the charges at least once. Child Protective Services in that county knew about Sandusky and failed to follow up. McQueary WITNESSED THE FUCKING RAPE and failed to inform the police. A janitor WITNESSES A FUCKING RAPE and failed to inform the police. The Penn St brass covered everything up.

I'm not naive, I know how society works, and why Paterno is the lightning rod here, so the vultures are swarming, but for fucks sake, can we swing some attention to the real cretins here?

EVERYONE who knew something is responsible here. It has nothing to do with Paterno being a lightning rod, hes just the biggest name thats going to drop in this mass exodus. Noone who had any knowledge of this deserves to keep a job and really whatever damage control explanation given by people involved isnt going to change anything. This shit is disgusting.

 

[ralaw]

I'm not naive, I know how society works, and why Paterno is the lightning rod here, so the vultures are swarming, but for fucks sake, can we swing some attention to the real cretins here?

Its already been established who the cretins are. However, the issue now is how Paterno having known about all of this going on just let it go and allowed Stardusky to be around the program and use the facilities for more perversion. Even if he came out and said he had no clue about any of this (to which apparently would be good enough for some to keep his job) he still should be let go.

 

[NAHSTE]

w2b, they are ALL cretins. Including Paterno. This is a system-wide failure to report (as well as prevent future acts of) child rape. Anyone with knowledge is a scumfuck.

 

[FirstTimer]

After reading the grand jury report, Paterno is pretty low on my list of people I would hold accountable.

This.

Curley and Schultz come off as complete fucking assbags.

Paterno, for better or for worse, seemed to trust the people above him to make the right choices and calls and one of the guys Paterno reported the issue oversaw the PSU PD. Should Paterno have done more? Yeah, but I'm finding a really tough time making him the villian in all this.

 

[cynismus]

too soon?

 

[FedEx227]

This.

Curley and Schultz come off as complete fucking assbags.

Paterno, for better or for worse, seemed to trust the people above him to make the right choices and calls and one of the guys Paterno reported the issue oversaw the PSU PD. Should Paterno have done more? Yeah, but I'm finding a really tough time making him the villian in all this.

:michaelscott:

He's not THE villian, but he's one of them and he allowed (and by and large facilitated) the real villian.

If there's success in the program, who gets a majority of the credit? The AD? The assistant coaches? The President? Nope, it's Paterno. It's always Paterno.

Well when there's a 12-13 years of documented child rape going on in your facilities with one of your coaches and friends that you allowed to stay on campus and gave an office to.... I'm sorry but Paterno deserves blame as well.

It's his program when things are going well. It has to be his program when things go bad too.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Curley's attorney is one of the biggest cunts i've ever seen.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

The report said it happened when the Grand Jury stuff started going on. Who knows what they intended to tell the victim, wonder what the wife would have to say. Crazy.



The report included a statement from one of the administrators of the school saying that while they "banned" him, it was not enforceable because of the size of the campus.


What's also weird is even after the incidents on school grounds, nobody attempted to find the victims to follow up, at least according to the grand jury report.

Btw, Paterno's people said his day with the media today will not include any questions about the case, only football.

Not enforceable? I read earlier that the guy was given KEYS to the fucking facilities even after the "banning". To think noone knew this guy was still around the campus is just absolute asinine. Not only did these guys ignore what was going on for years, they basically encouraged it by knowing how invovled Sadasky was with the kids and STILL not even thinking to do anything about it. Everyone involved should be disgusted with themselves. If Joe Pa decides to play ignorant about it I hope it completely and utterly destroys his legacy as a coach and a human being.

 

[ralaw]

Paterno, for better or for worse, seemed to trust the people above him to make the right choices and calls and one of the guys Paterno reported the issue oversaw the PSU PD. Should Paterno have done more? Yeah, but I'm finding a really tough time making him the villian in all this.

I'm beginning to think W2B, you and others are just playing devil's advocate. You guys have to be communicating via PM.

Think about what you just said. You're saying Paterno is so trusting of those around him that he let an accusation of one of his assistance coaches raping kids in the PSU locker room go. Not to mention Paterno has to know of this guys history.

 

[FedEx227]

Me too.

 

[FedEx227]

Not enforceable? I read earlier that the guy was given KEYS to the fucking facilities even after the "banning". To think noone knew this guy was still around the campus is just absolute asinine. Not only did these guys ignore what was going on for years, they basically encouraged it by knowing how invovled Sadasky was with the kids and STILL not even thinking to do anything about it. Everyone involved should be disgusted with themselves. If Joe Pa decides to play ignorant about it I hope it completely and utterly destroys his legacy as a coach and a human being.

Kuzzy, he was in their weight room last week...

 

[FirstTimer]

If there's success in the program, who gets a majority of the credit? The AD? The assistant coaches? The President? Nope, it's Paterno. It's always Paterno.

Well when there's a 12-13 years of documented child rape going on in your facilities with one of your coaches and friends that you allowed to stay on campus and gave an office to.... I'm sorry but Paterno deserves blame as well.

Paterno should have done more(especially in terms of the banning of Sandusky) and should have followed up better(if he didn't or didn't follow up enough) but on the list of people that are to blame for this Paterno is WAY down the list.

It's his program when things are going well. It has to be his program when things go bad too.

That's incredibley simplistic and not the way I view it.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Kuzzy, he was in their weight room last week...

Thats what im saying, in reply to Empire's quote about "the campus being too large to enforce a real ban". Its an absolute crock of shit. I cant even believe people are willing to forgive or overlook ANY of the people who knew what was going on.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Paterno should have done more(especially in terms of the banning of Sandusky) and should have followed up better(if he didn't or didn't follow up enough) but on the list of people that are to blame for this Paterno is WAY down the list.

Is it really necessary to RANK blame here? Or does basic human decency not say that anyone who had any clue of what was going on should've done SOMETHING of significance.. not just "trusting those above him". Especially someone with as much pull as Joe Pa, what, did he fear for his job? :yao:

 

[ralaw]

Is it really necessary to RANK blame here? Or does basic human decency not say that anyone who had any clue of what was going on should've done SOMETHING of significance.. not just "trusting those above him". Especially someone with as much pull as Joe Pa, what, did he fear for his job? :yao:

People act as if there needs to be a power ranking list or something. Geesh.

 

[FedEx227]

Exactly. This isn't ESPN we don't need to arbitrary rank blame. Blame is blame in this situation. Anyone involved needs to be accountable.

 

[EmpireWF]

Sanjusky was in their weight room while current players were working out last week. Kim Jones (Yes Network) was talking about how none of them knew who he was and wondering why he was there.

Shady stuff.

 

[NAHSTE]

Wait, we are making a list of blame and ordering them? How about this, fuck EVERYONE who knew. And you can't convince me that Joe Pa didn't know. This guy was caught IN THE ACT three times in the PENN STATE LOCKER ROOM ... And was allowed to continue.

Fuck them all, including Paterno.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I'm beginning to think W2B, you and others are just playing devil's advocate. You guys have to be communicating via PM.

Why? I haven't exonerated Paterno. But i'm not so quick to condemn him, either. Again, I want to hear him speak for himself before I bury the body. There are questions I want to hear answered.

Clearly he's low on the culpability ladder. Looking back, it's pretty obvious he forced Sandusky to resign in 1999. This based on no legal charges, by the way. He fired the man based on what at the time was unsubstantiated rumors. Hindsight is easy.

And again, he could have buried this under his living room rug when McQueary came to his house the next day. He didn't. He reported it. McQueary (and the janitor from the other incident) should be in jail. HE WITNESSED A CHILD RAPE and failed to call the police. Paterno was not a witness, and also was not Sandusky's boss at that time. He reported what he was told to the school, because it was the school that was allowing Sandusky to hang around.

We don't know if Paterno wanted Sandusky around. We don't know if this was a constant struggle internally or what side of that struggle Paterno was on. We don't know what he reported or who he told or what he said to the police or the grand jury. You are hanging the man because he's a head football coach. You are speculating his level of involvement. I'm leaning towards lumping him with the rest of these animals, but sorry, i'll wait until I know more before i'm comfortable doing so. He's culpable to some degree, but again, he's pretty low on the list in my view based on what we know.