Hide Yo Kids. Paterno/Sandusky Trial/Penn State Megathread

[Rayman]

Another thing I was thinking about. Do you guys think the NCAA will punish the program in some way like loss of scholarships or being banned from bowl games? I'm not familiar with where the line is drawn in regards to NCAA violations, but if they can ban USC for Reggie Bush taking money, they better ban PSU for not reporting child rape.

I think that's actually a legit question, although I lean towards "no".

Then again, if it's discovered money changed hands in any of this...

 

[shag773]

Apparently Rush isn't a fan of the thread....

 

[FirstTimer]

Uhh Rush?

 

[Rayman]

I've been a Penn State fan for 38 years. In the past 48 hours I've gone through a range of emotions, starting with maybe a little bit of denial, to anger, and now just absolute disgust.

Joe Pa and Penn State has represented to me everything that was right with college athletics. He's also a rare link to my childhood. I can't say that I can still put on my favorite show when I was a kid, but I can put on a Penn State game and see a man standing on the sidelines or lead a team through a tunnel that has done it as long as I can remember.

Many of you have no idea what that's all about, because most of you are fans of college teams that have coaching carousel every couple years and have no idea what that bond means. Therefore you couldn't possibly understand why we night be a little behind (no pun intended) in joining the mob and calling for his head.

Most of you had a predisposition on Paterno which made it easy for you to jump all over him. That's fine, there were people that have had not liked Paterno because of his supposed holier than thou national image since most of your grandfather's hey day. The national outcry doesn't suprise me.

I've gone on record in this forum saying he should step down. I still agree with that. However after thinking about it I'll expound on this further. I think he should of left 15 years ago. I've always been the first guy to jump up and scream at anyone that thought the admin should step in and replace him. I thought his years of service gave him the right to leave on his own terms.

But I was wrong, and the more I think about it the more my stance was bred from selfishness. I couldn't let it go. But from my perspective now, they would have done him a favor by letting him go 15 years ago.

The fact of the matter is he's been in a figurehead position at this school for some time. Until now I didn't see any harm in it. But there was more than being just a recruiting bargaining chip and and living breathing monument when you still hold the position of head coach. I've thought about this a lot, and I have a hard time believing that he didn't think he was doing the right thing. I think he was possibly too out of touch to know what the right thing actually was.

It's abundantly clear to me that this situation was way over his head. For his sake, and the sake of the program, he needs to be let go. It tears me to pieces to say it, but he has to go.

Good take, but hindsight is 20/20. I did think he was the last clean man in collegiate athletics, obviously not to the same level you did, but as the stories kept coming out and I learned more, I'm pretty disgusted with everyone involved. They should all pay with their jobs at the very least, legacy be damned.

I do feel bad because it basically destroys everything an icon once stood for, and would basically be his death sentence, but some things are just unforgivable.

 

[shag773]

I think what we are forgetting is there are about 100 kids that are suiting up and playing this week that have NOTHING to do with this mess. I know the game is secondary but I understand the students rallying their support around the team, although I can't say I have that in me right now.

 

[EmpireWF]

The amount of victims the police know about has doubled over the past few days.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/spor...ive:-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811

 

[NAHSTE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JXoXdIJQ7I&feature=youtu.be

Fucking insane.

 

[RainboUnicorn]

I didn't know much about the facts of the situation so I just read through all 20 of these pages and the court documents. Took me about an hour.

Anyways what I don't understand is why there seems to be such a burning hatred against JoePa for not going to the police but little has been said about the GA. One could understand why JoePa didn't go directly to the police. I know I probably wouldn't have unless I saw it firsthand. This brings me to my next point.

Why the hell aren't you guys directing your anger at the GA? I know for damn sure if I saw what I read in those court documents that I would have to first of all hold myself back from going after the guy physically right there. Secondly why the hell did he not immediately call the police? Talk about scum of the earth. Look he keeps quiet and now he is on the coaching staff? He had motive to stay quiet? I can't fathom why he did not go to the police.

Some of you say that JoePa being such a big figure is being used to his advantage. I think it works both ways. The reason you guys are going after him so badly is the fact that he is the face of penn state football. In my opinion the other parties involved did plenty worse then what Paterno did.

I'm looking forward to hearing what Joe Pa has to say. Even if he comes out and says he was specifically told of Sandusky's actions in that shower I can't say that I would call for his head. I dont know. He went to whoever he had to at the university and they should have taken care of it. I don't know why its assumed to be his responsibility to go to the police more than anyone else involved. In my opinion mostly everyone else involved (whoever JoePa told that had higher rank than him, certainly the GA) had more of an obligation to go to the police.

EDIT: I'm just going by what I have read so far. There may be way more that comes out to show Joe Pa was involved more directly in this but im going off of what I have read up to this point.

 

[NAHSTE]

Why the hell aren't you guys directing your anger at the GA?

Um, we are. But this thread is about Paterno. As has been said a dozen times, all knowing parties are complicit, not excluding Paterno, or the GA, or anyone else who knew of this shit.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I didn't know much about the facts of the situation so I just read through all 20 of these pages and the court documents. Took me about an hour.

Anyways what I don't understand is why there seems to be such a burning hatred against JoePa for not going to the police but little has been said about the GA. One could understand why JoePa didn't go directly to the police. I know I probably wouldn't have unless I saw it firsthand. This brings me to my next point.

Why the hell aren't you guys directing your anger at the GA? I know for damn sure if I saw what I read in those court documents that I would have to first of all hold myself back from going after the guy physically right there. Secondly why the hell did he not immediately call the police? Talk about scum of the earth. Look he keeps quiet and now he is on the coaching staff? He had motive to stay quiet? I can't fathom why he did not go to the police.

Some of you say that JoePa being such a big figure is being used to his advantage. I think it works both ways. The reason you guys are going after him so badly is the fact that he is the face of penn state football.

I'm looking forward to hearing what Joe Pa has to say. Even if he comes out and says he was specifically told of Sandusky's actions in that shower I can't say that I would call for his head. I dont know. He went to whoever he had to at the university and they should have taken care of it. I don't know why its assumed to be his responsibility to go to the police more than anyone else involved. In my opinion mostly everyone else involved (whoever JoePa told that had higher rank than him, certainly the GA) had more of an obligation to go to the police.

EDIT: I'm just going by what I have read so far. There may be way more that comes out to show Joe Pa was involved more directly in this but im going off of what I have read up to this point.

Boom. Seems people are getting some joy out of taking shots at the old fucker.

And I agree with the first bold. I doubt I would have went to the police either. I would have told McQueary to go to the police, he's the one who saw it. I think McQueary put Paterno in an awful position.

And I don't know why this part is being glossed over, but according to the grand jury testimony, one of the two people Paterno reported the incident to was in charge of the campus police department at the time (Shultz).

If Paterno was an implicit part of the cover up, off with his head. At this point, there is nothing that connects those dots except for assumptions. If he had some sort of backdoor deal with McQueary to stay quiet, he belongs in prison for whatever amount of life he has left. If such a deal was in place, i'm not sure why Shultz and Curley would take such a bullet for McQueary. Paterno yes, but McQueary? C'mon.

 

[RainboUnicorn]

Um, we are. But this thread is about Paterno. As has been said a dozen times, all knowing parties are complicit, not excluding Paterno, or the GA, or anyone else who knew of this shit.

Yeah but not nearly to the extent that you or the media is going after Paterno.

I would go as far as saying the sole reason most of you are going after him so hard is because he is such a prominent figure. Why aren't any threads asking if the GA (who happens to be an assistant coach now) should resign? He was the damn man who saw it happen. You are saying Paterno should be fired and that he is scum and that he is a disgrace for something that somebody told him. He wasn't involved (up to this point) nor did he witness anything happen (up to this point).

 

[FirstTimer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JXoXdIJQ7I&feature=youtu.be

Fucking insane.

Yeah, football fans can be stupid.

You watching ESPN right now?

 

[FirstTimer]

And I don't know why this part is being glossed over, but according to the grand jury testimony, one of the two people Paterno reported the incident to was in charge of the campus police department at the time (Shultz).

I've brought it up repeatedly in here.

:smug:

:alone:

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Yeah but not nearly to the extent that you or the media is going after Paterno.

I would go as far as saying the sole reason most of you are going after him so hard is because he is such a prominent figure. Why aren't any threads asking if the GA (who happens to be an assistant coach now) should resign? He was the damn man who saw it happen. You are saying Paterno should be fired and that he is scum and that he is a disgrace for something that somebody told him. He wasn't involved (up to this point) nor did he witness anything happen (up to this point).

Paterno didn't have a crystal ball, so I agree that what he did concerning 1998 was enough. He fired the guy, after all.

As far as 2002, he reported an incident that really was all hearsay. Again, I have no problem with this either. I wouldnt have called the police myself, either. Especially considering that Shultz was essentially the police. Hindsight is easy, especially for anyone who bothered to read that disgusting grand jury testimony.

What I want answers for, is what the extent of Paterno's involvement was in allowing Sandusky to hang around beyond that point. That's where he looks bad. That's what people should be focusing on, not whether he made a call to the police based on hearsay.

 

[NAHSTE]

Yeah but not nearly to the extent that you or the media is going after Paterno.

I would go as far as saying the sole reason most of you are going after him so hard is because he is such a prominent figure. Why aren't any threads asking if the GA (who happens to be an assistant coach now) should resign? He was the damn man who saw it happen. You are saying Paterno should be fired and that he is scum and that he is a disgrace for something that somebody told him. He wasn't involved (up to this point) nor did he witness anything happen (up to this point).

I thought it was obvious that he should step down as well, LOL. But anyway, he saw ONE incident happen. We are talking about the wider, institutional cover up of multiple transgressions that occurred over 5-10 years. Surely you aren't ignoring those? Or pretending that Paterno would never get told that his assistant coach and friend was seen raping children in his locker room, on either of the two other occasions that it happened?

Sure, it's possible the Penn State higher ups covered it up on their own accord and decided to shelter the old man from all knowledge of Sandusky's behavior, but I find that hard to believe.

 

[Sigona]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O0EeTDWVPc"]RAW VIDEO: Joe Paterno talks to Penn State students from his window - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Vinsane]

RAW VIDEO: Joe Paterno talks to Penn State students from his window - YouTube

This is the message I'm sure Joe Pa wanted to deliver earlier in the day. At the end of it after all the finger pointing you have to think of the victims. They're the ones doing the most suffering during this investigation. Not Joe Pa or Penn State's legacy.

 

[FirstTimer]

Just saw the Matt Millen reaction on ESPN.

Wow.

 

[mgoblue2290]

Yeah anything COULD kill him...

but being a head coach is his life, it's like once that's taken away from you (and now in the fashion it will be done), it's like shooting him in the heart.

Of course its rough but being removed from the head coaching position is what he deserves. No one said its an easy decision but it is what must be done.

Also, I'm not blaming Paterno solely because is the face of PSU football. I've said numerous times the GA is more at fault than Paterno is but that doesn't mean Paterno gets off the hook. If it wasn't Paterno and was someone else, I'd call for their head too.

 

[EmpireWF]

They need to clean house (from university president on down) regardless of whether Paterno is the coach or Joe Blow is. It's what has to be done to move forward.