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Hide Yo Kids. Paterno/Sandusky Trial/Penn State Megathread

The optics are all wrong for Paterno here. If I see or hear about a co-worker buggering a 10-year-old kid ... and see nothing done about it ... I do something to correct it. Joe Paterno was a big enough figure to do more than just report to a superior.

If I report something like this to a superior and 6 months later, nothing is done, I take the next step. Clearly Paterno was covering for a friend.

Paterno clearly deserves to be fired, assuming Sandusky is guilty of the offence ... and, let's be fair, give Sandusky his day in court.

Warner is focused on the more modern things, assuming Paterno knew about situations in 1998 and 2002 and did nothing to prevent Sandusky from being involved with the school and his buildings through this week.

For me, he's lumped in with everyone else whose behavior is questionable at best, criminal at worst.

Thank you.

I question Paterno post-2002. Previous to that, he acted in good faith in my opinion. He fired Sandusky based on the original accusations, and he reported the McQueary accusation.

After that, shit gets shady. I'd like to hear him answer some tough questions about why Sandusky was lurking around campus post 2002, and why he didn't follow up on the McQueary stuff with his bosses.

But hanging him for not making that phone call in 2002? Total hindsight BS. That's on McQueary and the superiors.
 
Where Paterno is in trouble, to me, is the following few years where Sandusky was hanging around the campus. That's what Paterno needs to answer to in my opinion, and that is where he is hanging himself because I don't see plausible answers for that.

Yeah, Sandusky standing on the sidelines of games with kids, holding hands with kids in the hallway, etc.

How can you answer to that? He needs to stop coaching ASAP.
 
IMO, he didn't turn a blind eye to that point. He reported it. After that is what I may have a problem with after I hear Paterno explain himself. I doubt he has a plausible explanation, but I think it's fair to let him say what he has to say.

This is going in circles. Serious hindsight issues, too.

Nothing to do with hindsight at all IMO, all about common sense and human decency when faced with this kind of situation. Surely there is not a way you believe everyone involved (including Joe Pa) couldnt have done so much more.
 
Nothing to do with hindsight at all IMO, all about common sense and human decency when faced with this kind of situation. Surely there is not a way you believe everyone involved (including Joe Pa) couldnt have done so much more.

Kuzzy, I know this thread has gotten emotional, but i've answered this a miilion times.

I defended him for not calling the police in 2002. I have yet to defend anything beyond that.
 
It'd be impossible to get a fair response but I'd like to know whether there was anything shady behind McQueary getting a job with the program in 2003, after being the grad assistant at the time of the incident the year before.

His lack of action that night is really unsettling. Even after talking with his father, how do you not go to the police? The same with the janitors in 2001. Fear of retribution cannot be an excuse that takes all liability from you.
 
Kuzzy, I know this thread has gotten emotional, but i've answered this a miilion times.

I defended him for not calling the police in 2002. I have yet to defend anything beyond that.

Warner, be happy in a thread like this that you're a well respected member of VSN, because if Champ was posting the shit you are today as it pertains to this situation he'd be getting torn up by everyone.

Really shocking to me what ive read from a few of you in this thread.
 
Warner, be happy in a thread like this that you're a well respected member of VSN, because if Champ was posting the shit you are today as it pertains to this situation he'd be getting torn up by everyone.

Really shocking to me what ive read from a few of you in this thread.

I'm getting torn up anyway!

Listen, at the end of the day, i'm probably joining the mob, all i'm saying is I want to hear the man explain himself before I bury the body. If that's so terrible, that's fine, continue to pile on, i'll live.

edit: I guess I should say that this post refers to Paterno, not Sandusky. Fuck Sandusky, obviously.
 
Everyone assumes Sandusky is guilty here (heck, I do) ... but the guy deserves his day in court. Innocent until proven guilty - it's still supposed to be the theory.
 
Michael Rosenberg at SI.com pretty much nailed it. He should not be coaching any more if he can't decipher serious allegations from non-serious ones.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...st.scandal/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a3

Still, it is hard to evaluate this situation because of the unusual dynamic around the Penn State football program. It is no great secret that for at least a decade, and maybe two, Penn State administrators have felt powerless against Paterno. He and school president Graham Spanier have privately battled for years.

Forget about telling Paterno when to retire. Nobody can tell Paterno anything, because he is Joe Paterno.

Paterno has done far more good than harm in his career. But if you have been paying attention, you know that he has a bad habit of minimizing serious allegations.

When Penn State receiver Tony Johnson was arrested for driving under the influence a few years ago, Paterno said he would discipline him "just because I have to send a message to the squad that it is inappropriate to be out in the middle of the week having a couple of drinks."

Police said Johnson had a blood-alcohol level of .136, well above the legal limit.

Before a bowl game against Penn State in 2006, Florida State linebacker A.J. Nicholson was accused of sexual assault.
Remember: This was not Paterno's player. He didn't have to say anything.

But he said this: "There are so many people gravitating to these kids. Maybe he didn't know what he was getting into, Nicholson. Somebody will knock on the door. A cute girl knocks on the door. What do you do?

"Thank God, they don't knock on my door. I'd refer them to a couple of other rooms.]

"But that's too bad. You hate to see that, you really do. You'd like to see a kid end up his career. And he's a heck of a football player, he really is. It's just too bad. That's all I can say. It's just too bad."

To sum up, we have:

1. An administration that feels it can't control Joe Paterno.

2. Paterno's habit of minimizing serious allegations.

As I said, I don't know exactly what happened. But it's reasonable to imagine that the climate at Penn State played a big part in it.

Sandusky was retired in 2002, when the incident in question took place. But he continued to spend time in the Penn State football building, where the incident took place. Yahoo! Sports' Dan Wetzel reported Monday that Sandusky was seen working out in the Penn State weight room last week.

Penn State is a notoriously airtight program.

Nobody spends that much time in the football building unless Joe Paterno approves of it.

Paterno will apparently avoid charges in this case. But his reign at Penn State will end poorly, just as Woody Hayes' reign at Ohio State ended poorly, and as Bob Knight's reign at Indiana ended poorly. In all three cases, you could see a lousy ending coming -- though of course, it was hard to imagine this particular lousy ending.

There is no joy in saying that. But there is no joy anywhere in this awful story. Strip away the fame, the money and the popularity of Penn State's football program, and you have a sordid allegation that demanded a powerful response from powerful people.

What would you do? For most of us, the answer is simple: A lot more.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...11/07/pennst.scandal/index.html#ixzz1dBXiJ6lF
 
Everyone assumes Sandusky is guilty here (heck, I do) ... but the guy deserves his day in court. Innocent until proven guilty - it's still supposed to be the theory.

Innocent until proven guilty is fine in the legal system but in terms of this, in public perception, fuck that.

8 known examples of Sandusky abusing children in various forms with at least 2 direct witnesses, a conversation with a victim's mother and more alleged victims coming forward every day.

Fry the bastard.
 
Innocent until proven guilty is fine in the legal system but in terms of this, in public perception, fuck that.

8 known examples of Sandusky abusing children in various forms with at least 2 direct witnesses, a conversation with a victim's mother and more alleged victims coming forward every day.

Fry the bastard.

What's the point of a judicial system if everyone is guilty before they're tried?

Again, I agree he's probably guilty, but let's let a correct judicial system make the decision.

Admittedly, a correct judicial may or may not exist. Hell, O.J. Simpson was found not guilty.
 
I'm getting torn up anyway!

Listen, at the end of the day, i'm probably joining the mob, all i'm saying is I want to hear the man explain himself before I bury the body. If that's so terrible, that's fine, continue to pile on, i'll live.

edit: I guess I should say that this post refers to Paterno, not Sandusky. Fuck Sandusky, obviously.

Rather poor choice of words.

:alone:
 
What's the point of a judicial system if everyone is guilty before they're tried?

Again, I agree he's probably guilty, but let's let a correct judicial system make the decision.

Admittedly, a correct judicial may or may not exist. Hell, O.J. Simpson was found not guilty.

No doubt, it's now in the hands of the Prosecutor to try this correctly and get a guilty verdict.


As for the athletic director and the campus police head, read where they may be able to argue that they did not break law in PA. If their lawyers can argue the letter of the law.

Staff members of public or private agencies, institutions and facilities. RNs, LPNs and CRNPs who are staff members of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, and who, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse. Upon notification by the RN, LPN or CRNP, the person in charge or the designated agent shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with subsections (a), (c) and (d).

Meaning the law specifically states that only those whose job brings them in contact with children are legally suppose to notify the people in charge.

Just one theory according to this article...

http://www.dailymail.com/News/statenews/201111080256

Some legal analysts say the case against Curley and Schultz may not stand because Pennsylvania's law might not cover their specific jobs.

That law requires reporting only by professionals "who, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children," which may not include adult university students.
 
They're saying Paterno is going to coach this weekend. I'd be surprised by that, because the reaction whether Paterno is boo'd or cheered would present for a horrible situation. School officials and Paterno have to know this. I understand Paterno is no longer on the sideline, but right now he shouldn't be anywhere near the stadium.
 
They're saying Paterno is going to coach this weekend. I'd be surprised by that, because the reaction whether Paterno is boo'd or cheered would present for a horrible situation. School officials and Paterno have to know this. I understand Paterno is no longer on the sideline, but right now he shouldn't be anywhere near the stadium.

I don't see how they allow McQueary and Paterno to coach another game. Everyone knows both are not lasting the rest of the season, why fuckaround? Be adults, make the decision now and move on.

Funny thing is the apparent unwillingness by the school/trustees/whomever to fire Paterno. Maybe they will down the road, but it's apparent they are going to want him to resign. Whether he gets the opportunity to talk to the media openly before then or not, I'd hope so, but I know he won't.
 
I don't see how they allow McQueary and Paterno to coach another game. Everyone knows both are not lasting the rest of the season, why fuckaround? Be adults, make the decision now and move on.

Funny thing is the apparent unwillingness by the school/trustees/whomever to fire Paterno. Maybe they will down the road, but it's apparent they are going to want him to resign. Whether he gets the opportunity to talk to the media openly before then or not, I'd hope so, but I know he won't.

I know his kid said something about getting a presser together today.

I was listening to Evan and Phillips on the way into work this morning and they are comparing Paterno to a mob boss. It's getting way outta hand.

I agree though, if the plan is to fire him before the end of the season, then why have him coach this weekend?
 
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