Hide Yo Kids. Paterno/Sandusky Trial/Penn State Megathread

[Sportsbuck]

Schiano, Meyer and Golden are the most realistic ones on that list. I think they will offer Meyer enough to take the job.

That'll be awfully hard to do when OSU makes Meyer the highest paid coach in the nation :smug:

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Poor Greg Schiano.

The guy goes to Rutgers of all places, turns them around, puts together two or three great years, and has largely been coasting with 7-5's waiting for JoPa to croak ever since. Now this shit happens, and since Schiano worked under Paterno & Sandusky when he was 24, he'll probably get the snub.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The guy who wrote that, Mark Madden, is pretty well known in the area as a shit stirrer. He's been fired by multiple radio stations and newspapers. So it's not surprising that this column was shit on, but holy shit did he nail it.

As a side note, he was also involved in pro wrestling in the 90's as a newsletter writer and television commentator for WCW.

EDIT - am I going nuts, or was NAHSTE's post deleted?

 

[NAHSTE]

The guy who wrote that, Mark Madden, is pretty well known in the area as a shit stirrer. He's been fired by multiple radio stations and newspapers. So it's not surprising that this column was shit on, but holy shit did he nail it.

As a side note, he was also involved in pro wrestling in the 90's as a newsletter writer and television commentator for WCW.

EDIT - am I going nuts, or was NAHSTE's post deleted?

I deleted it, because I found out that there was an earlier article from March that initially broke the story. It's nuts that more wasn't made of it then.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/03/jerry_sandusky_former_penn_sta.html

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The fact that no charges were filed against Sandusky for so long is baffling.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

You know your program has hit rock bottom when Hurricane fans feel comfortable enough to joke about your institution's lack of morals...FML

We supply our players with of age prostitutes and self report it to the NCAA.

We don't cover up no kid diddlers.

 

[Diivox]

We supply our players with of age prostitutes and self report it to the NCAA.

We don't cover up no kid diddlers.

this is what im interested in finding out. if you slap down the Miamis, the Ohio States, the USCs for money, what the hell is the NCAA going to do about a child molestation coverup? shouldnt this be the harshest punishment the NCAA ever handed out?

 

[SethMode]

this is what im interested in finding out. if you slap down the Miamis, the Ohio States, the USCs for money, what the hell is the NCAA going to do about a child molestation coverup? shouldnt this be the harshest punishment the NCAA ever handed out?

I am guessing if it is proven to be a coverup they will almost definitely punish PSU pretty hard. But who the fuck knows...this is the NCAA we're talking about.

 

[EmpireWF]

NCAA isn't going to do anything.

 

[NAHSTE]

I present, a few sensible Penn State students, and hundred more that are idiots:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35NZfcts4tA&feature=youtu.be

 

[FirstTimer]

I present, a few sensible Penn State students, and hundred more that are idiots:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35NZfcts4tA&feature=youtu.be

Dude is a Pitt :troll:

He's wearing a Dorsett jersey

 

[FirstTimer]

I present, a few sensible Penn State students, and hundred more that are idiots:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35NZfcts4tA&feature=youtu.be

ZOMG! That kid wants to ask questions, wants them answered and wants more information!!@!#@#

How dare he?!?!?!

 

[NAHSTE]

Dude is a Pitt :troll:

He's wearing a Dorsett jersey

SPEAKER: HEY GUYS, LET'S MAYBE NOT BLINDLY SUPPORT A MAN WHO IS VERY LIKELY TO HAVE ENABLED A CHILD RAPIST

ANGRY MOB: TONY DORSETT WENT TO PITT!!!!! BOOO!!!!

 

[shag773]

A blog post I came across for you guys to tear to pieces..

http://thatlawyerdude.blogspot.com/2011/11/strong-defense-of-joe-paterno-why.html

A Strong Defense of Joe Paterno: Why Paterno Was Morally & Ethically Right Not To Go Further in The Sandusky Sex Abuse Case
In the comments section of an article in an SI online blog post by Joe Posnanski, Columbia Univ. Adjunct Professor Scott Semer assails Joe Paterno for not taking greater actions in the Jerry Sandusky case (Link is to the actual Grand Jury Report. It is not for the squeamish.)

Semer rests his opinions as a lawyer and an Adjunct Professor of Transactional Law at Columbia Univ. in NYC. He takes what I believe is the majority opinion as to Coach Paterno's decisions which is that he did the least he could do to cover himself but owed a moral duty to do more.

I too am an attorney, a criminal defense lawyer, a former special prosecutor, and an adjunct professor of Trial Advocacy, and as to his judgment of Paterno I completely disagree with Professor Semer. I think Paterno did what was both morally and legally correct.

After contacting his chain of command superiors, he let them do their jobs. He knew there was a campus police force that investigates ( and prosecutes ) crimes on campus. He took whatever information he had to the head of his department. He took it to the person who is, for all intents and purposes, the police commissioner of a 256 person police force which according to the Campus website says: "(The University Police are) governed by a state statute that gives our officers the same authority as municipal police officers."

Paterno didn't just give his information to a superior, he turned it over to the highest ranking official in that police department. That man, PSU's VP of Business called in the ACTUAL WITNESS and spoke to him. In other words Paterno could see an investigation.

Suggesting Paterno should have then done more is both ridiculous and dangerous. Paterno should not have approached Sandusky,for fear he tip him off to the investigation; he should not have called University police after nothing happened because 1. A police department has a right to set its policing priorities. The Courts have consistently held that: it is a "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981).
2. Once he reported the incident (and not having any information as to the progress of any investigation or the results thereof) Paterno had no other action he could reasonably take. If he pressed further or went public he risked opening himself and the University up to a law suit from Sandusky for libel , and that is assuming Paterno thought the grad assistant was both reliable and accurate. By that person's own admission he was distraught. He would be accused of trying to eliminate a potential competitor for his job. He would also call into question the safety of the campus and without any proof of his own on the allegations of another. Pattern is not a witness and arguably isn't even an "outcry witness." ( an outcry witness is one who verifies that another witness was so distraught that what they are saying must be true. To be an outcry witness the original witness must make his statement to you first and within a few minutes top hours after witnessing the incident. More than a couple of hours usually spoils the outcry's reliability. It gives the maker too much time to make up the testimony)
3. Assuming Paterno did go to the Chief of Police for the Penn State police department, the person under Gary Schultz, would that not be an act of insubordination? What if he were wrong? He would lose a long time friend and PSU family member. He would hurt alums, recruits and his teams. His fellow coaches could not trust him, all of this without being an actual witness to anything. Taking one man's word against anothers.

Noone wants to see kids hurt, and I believe Coach Paterno heads that list. People suggesting he needed to do more either don't understand the law of criminal investigation, or have a different ax to grind ( like the head of the PA State Police who is grand standing in saying people have a greater responsibility than to report crime to the local Authority. He would be the first guy to defend a civil rights suit against his agency, (brought by a crime victim claiming that the failure to arrest caused her injuries) by invoking the Warren case.)

Paterno handled this exactly as he should have and to suggest otherwise is to use 20/20 hindsight to judge what was a fluid real time situation. I guess the path is always clear for the Monday Morning Quarterback

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

SPEAKER: HEY GUYS, LET'S MAYBE NOT BLINDLY SUPPORT A MAN WHO IS VERY LIKELY TO HAVE ENABLED A CHILD RAPIST

ANGRY MOB: TONY DORSETT WENT TO PITT!!!!! BOOO!!!!

The Tony Dorsett argument is the best one ive heard so far. :yep:

 

[FirstTimer]

A blog post I came across for you guys to tear to pieces..

http://thatlawyerdude.blogspot.com/2011/11/strong-defense-of-joe-paterno-why.html

Legally an interesting piece.

Morally I disagree.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

A blog post I came across for you guys to tear to pieces..

http://thatlawyerdude.blogspot.com/2011/11/strong-defense-of-joe-paterno-why.html

Excellent piece, and perfectly logical based on the information we have today.

Paterno handled this exactly as he should have and to suggest otherwise is to use 20/20 hindsight to judge what was a fluid real time situation. I guess the path is always clear for the Monday Morning Quarterback

Basically my point all along (concerning the reporting issues). The big question for me, and the one where I can't fathom a sufficient answer coming, is why Sandusky was allowed to hang around the program.

 

[shag773]

SPEAKER: HEY GUYS, LET'S MAYBE NOT BLINDLY SUPPORT A MAN WHO IS VERY LIKELY TO HAVE ENABLED A CHILD RAPIST

ANGRY MOB: TONY DORSETT WENT TO PITT!!!!! BOOO!!!!

Insert FT and W2B as the speaker and Kuzzy, Nahste and Blade as the mob and you have a pretty good representation of this thread for the last 48 hours...

 

[Blade]

Insert FT and W2B as the speaker and Kuzzy, Nahste and Blade as the mob and you have a pretty good representation of this thread for the last 48 hours...

Ummm that dumbass mob is in favor of Paterno.

I want his ass fired....different POV than of that mob. I agree with the speaker on taking down the banners and all that. I also agree with the fact that we need to ask questions and paterno needs to answer them.

And I haven't made more than 7-8 posts in this behemoth of a thread, so STFU. I made my point 2 pages back and I have moved on.

Only on VSD will you get flamed for calling out against rape/sexual assault.....get a fuckin back bone.

That article is an awesome excuse for inaction. These incidents happened almost for a decade, how long of a investigation is Paterno assuming according to that article for something like this!?!? At some point, you take the guy out of your locker room and shut his office down instead of letting him walk in holding kids hands and talking to 18 year olds. And even thinking about him as successor to your position as a Head Coach.

 

[FirstTimer]

Insert FT and W2B as the speaker and Kuzzy, Nahste and Blade as the mob and you have a pretty good representation of this thread for the last 48 hours...

You forgot to mention Blade screaming about how Tony Dorsett raped his cousin or something.

:mayweather: