Hide Yo Kids. Paterno/Sandusky Trial/Penn State Megathread

[FirstTimer]

Apparently they are taking down his statue.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

That isn't that weird lol

It's generational.

It's weird in 2011, it's weird in 2001, it's weird in 1995. Teams/gym classes don't shower together anymore in high school. I was a high school athlete in the early 90's and showering together was already a dead concept. In Paterno's day, and probably up until the late 80's, men/boys showering together after gym class or a sports practice was normal.

I don't find the idea of Paterno and his dinosaur coaching staff showering together all that odd.

This has nothing to do with Sandusky showering with ten year olds, btw. No defense for that at all, obvioulsy.

 

[SethMode]

That whole blog post was a little odd. At this point I discount the possibility of nothing, just seems a little crazy that these bombs all drop after this whole controversy. Whatever though, I highly doubt a blog by a former offensive line coach is something the world is going to focus on too much.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I always watch these 80's movies with guys showering after gym class in steamy locker rooms, lathering up and towel snapping, and think to myself, wtf is this shit?

Now, I can think to myself, oh hey, there's JayRock and his boys.

 

[shag773]

It's generational.

It's weird in 2011, it's weird in 2001, it's weird in 1995. Teams/gym classes don't shower together anymore in high school. I was a high school athlete in the early 90's and showering together was already a dead concept. In Paterno's day, and probably up until the late 80's, men/boys showering together after gym class or a sports practice was normal.

I don't find the idea of Paterno and his dinosaur coaching staff showering together all that odd.

This has nothing to do with Sandusky showering with ten year olds, btw. No defense for that at all, obvioulsy.

I don't know if anyone's been to a public gym lately, but in the locker room the 50-60 year old guys walk around naked with no problem whatsoever. I agree, it's a generational thing.

That whole blog post was a little odd. At this point I discount the possibility of nothing, just seems a little crazy that these bombs all drop after this whole controversy. Whatever though, I highly doubt a blog by a former offensive line coach is something the world is going to focus on too much.

You'll see a bunch of jaded ex-coaches or staff members with an axe to grind popping up everywhere. I can't wait for this jackwagon's exclusive interview on Extra or some shit. He won't be the last I'm sure. But it will give Fed Ex something to do...:redsmug:

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

I just graduated and its plenty normal to shower in front of each other. At least at my high school. Shower time was talk time with me and my teammates. Gossip/girls/whatever. I showered for well over an hour multiple times. Pull a chair in there, sit and talk about whatever. No rainbow tho

I dont care what anyone says, this is beyond weird.. Yet higly appropriate for this thread, I guess.

 

[FedEx227]

Ah shit didn't even think to watch South Park!

 

[RosettaStoned]

It's generational.

It's weird in 2011, it's weird in 2001, it's weird in 1995. Teams/gym classes don't shower together anymore in high school. I was a high school athlete in the early 90's and showering together was already a dead concept. In Paterno's day, and probably up until the late 80's, men/boys showering together after gym class or a sports practice was normal.

I don't find the idea of Paterno and his dinosaur coaching staff showering together all that odd.

This has nothing to do with Sandusky showering with ten year olds, btw. No defense for that at all, obvioulsy.

I showered after gym and after games/practices in high school. Graduated in 2000

Our coaches however never showered, as they weren't running around...

Seems weird either way.

 

[Blade]

Here we go....

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dis...ndusky-victims-far-back-1970s-contact-lawyers

 

[EmpireWF]

Here we go....

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dis...ndusky-victims-far-back-1970s-contact-lawyers

shit's gonna get a lot more

Here's part of an article on child abuse laws in PA and statute of limitations..

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_1...ocates-pennsylvania-sex-abuse-laws-the-worst/

NEW YORK - Over 100 advocates gathered Tuesday in Harrisburg to push for reforms to Pennsylvania's child sex abuse laws in the wake of the Penn State child sex abuse scandal.

"The Pennsylvania law is the worst on this issue," says legal expert Marci Hamilton. Under Pennsylvania law, child sex abuse survivors must file civil suits before they turn 30. The law was enacted in August 2002, but survivors who turned 20 before the law was enacted do not get an extended statute of limitations and are barred from filing suit against their perpetrators.

Some of Jerry Sandusky's alleged victims may never be able to file suit against him because of Pennsylvania's unique statute of limitations.

For example, a ten-year-old abused in July 1992 would not be able to file suit even though that child would only be 29 today. Sandusky would have been 48 years old in 1992, and, Hamilton says, "I guarantee that Sandusky has victims out of statute. No one starts abuse at 50."

A bill, introduced into Pennsylvania court earlier this year, would provide a one-time, two-year window in which alleged victims could bring a civil action in cases previously barred by the current statute. California and Delaware have both enacted temporary windows, and in California, a one-year window revealed over 300 previously unidentified child predators.

 

[Blade]

shit's gonna get a lot more

Here's part of an article on child abuse laws in PA and statute of limitations..

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_1...ocates-pennsylvania-sex-abuse-laws-the-worst/

I thought that limitation was for civil suits.

 

[Blade]

South Park bringing the lulz.....

http://philly.sbnation.com/penn-st-.../2568881/video-south-park-takes-on-penn-state

 

[ralaw]

LOL, Penn State is getting killed there.

 

[EmpireWF]

Interesting NYT article...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/s...ed-sandusky-investigators.html?pagewanted=all

A critical break in the investigation of Jerry Sandusky came via a posting on the Internet: a random mention that a Penn State football coach, years before, might have seen something ugly, but kept silent.

Investigators with the Pennsylvania attorney general’s office had by 2010 already come to the conclusion that Sandusky, the longtime defensive coordinator for Joe Paterno’s Nittany Lions, was a serial molester, according to two people with knowledge of the case. But what had started with a complaint of sexual assault from a high school freshman had grown to include another matter altogether: whether Penn State had acted to cover up Sandusky’s behavior, even crimes.

Working off the brief mention on an Internet forum where people chatted about Penn State athletics, according to the two people with knowledge of the case, investigators narrowed their list of coaches likely to have seen something to Mike McQueary, then an assistant coach and the football program’s recruiting coordinator.

State College is a close-knit community. Word would get around that a Penn State coach had met with investigators. So investigators set up a meeting in an out-of-the-way parking lot, according to those with knowledge of the case.

There, one day a little over a year ago, McQueary unburdened himself, the two people said. He needed little prompting.

He told of a horrific scene he had stumbled upon as a graduate assistant one Friday night in March 2002: a naked boy, about 10, hands pressed against the locker room wall of the Lasch Football Building, being raped by Sandusky. McQueary was explicit and unequivocal, the people said. He had told Paterno, the team’s longtime and widely beloved head coach, about the incident the next day, but he was filled with regret that nothing had happened.

“This had been weighing on him for a very long time, and our guys felt he was relieved to get it off his chest,” one law enforcement official said. “When he had the opportunity to make it right, he told the truth.”

Officials at the Second Mile, the charity for at-risk children that Sandusky founded and that prosecutors say he used to target victims, reported that several years of the organization’s records were missing and had perhaps been stolen. The missing files, investigators worry, may limit their ability to determine if Sandusky used charity resources — expense accounts, travel, gifts — to recruit new victims, or even buy their silence, according to two people with knowledge of the case.

And in 2002, after McQueary had reported what he had seen to the university’s senior officials, those officials not only never told the police, but they also never even informed the university’s top lawyer. That lawyer, Wendell Courtney, said in an interview this week that he would have been duty bound to report to law enforcement officials any allegations of inappropriate conduct toward children by Sandusky.

Most disturbingly, investigators continued to identify possible victims — young men who had been boys when Sandusky befriended them through his foundation for troubled youngsters.

Those young men were not eager to tell their stories, the two people with knowledge of the case said. The young men were not convinced that the attorney general’s office had the will to go after a case that could rewrite the storied history of the university’s football program. And they asked: If the case went forward, who would believe them over a revered figure like Jerry Sandusky?

It was a question investigators had asked themselves. But with McQueary, they had what they regarded as an impartial witness, and one from within the ranks of Penn State itself.

But back in 2009, when the case first landed in the office of the attorney general, no one knew where it would lead. The mother of a Clinton County, Pa., freshman called the local high school to report that her son had been sexually assaulted by Sandusky. Sandusky was barred from the school, where he had served as a volunteer coach, and the matter was reported to the authorities.

The district attorney in Centre County, where Sandusky was alleged to have molested the boy, passed the case on to the attorney general. The district attorney, Michael Madeira, said Wednesday that his wife’s biological brother had been adopted by Sandusky years before.

Does everyone have a connection to everyone?

But what most struck the investigators, according to people with knowledge of the current case, was that the university itself seemed to have done nothing in the wake of the police investigation. Whether that was because other senior officials at Penn State did not know of the investigation or because they knew of it, but chose to do nothing, is a central question for investigators today.

Courtney, who served as Penn State’s general counsel at the time and whose job it was to advise and protect the university in such situations, said in an interview this week that while he might have been given a customary heads-up that Sandusky, a university employee, was under investigation, he was never given any details or even general information about its nature.

Meanwhile, investigators served numerous subpoenas on the Second Mile, according to people with knowledge of the inquiry. Not only did they want the names of children who had been through the program, they also demanded all of Sandusky’s travel and expense records.

Much of the older paperwork was stored at an off-site records facility. The travel and expense records, for instance, had been sent over several years earlier. But select members of the charity’s board of directors were alarmed to learn recently that when the records facility went to retrieve them, some of those records — from about 2000 to 2003 — were missing.

The attorney general’s office was notified of the missing files, people with knowledge of the case said. Subsequently, the foundation located apparently misfiled records from one of the years, but the rest seem to have disappeared.

Some investigators said they were convinced that the idea that Sandusky had an inappropriate interest in, and relationships with, young boys was a fairly widely held suspicion around and even outside Penn State’s football program over the years.

“This was not the secret that they are trying to make out now,” one person involved in the inquiry said. “I know there were a number of college coaches that had heard the rumors. If all these people knew about it, how could Sandusky’s superiors not know?”

In fact, according to McQueary, at least a few did.

When McQueary met with investigators last year, he immediately told them that he had witnessed Sandusky raping the boy in the showers on a Friday night in 2002 and then had gone home and talked to his father about what he should do. Together, they decided he needed to tell Paterno. Before becoming a graduate assistant, McQueary had played for Paterno. The coach was a mentor, and a friend.

Still, for years, McQueary questioned why nothing more was done. Under the law, McQueary was obligated only to tell a superior at the university. It is the duty of university administrators to inform the police. Besides, as one investigator put it, “on that campus, telling Joe Paterno is like telling God.”

Paterno, by his own account to the grand jury, met with Tim Curley, the university’s athletic director the next day and told him of McQueary’s account, saying the assistant had seen Sandusky “fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”

McQueary, who by then had been elevated from graduate assistant to an assistant coach and recruiting coordinator, laid out for investigators what happened next. It took a week and half, a time lapse that investigators find deeply troubling, for Curley and Schultz to call him to a meeting. McQueary told investigators, and later the grand jury, that he had explained to the two men in graphic detail what he had witnessed.

Curley and Schultz gave different accounts to the grand jury of what transpired in that meeting. Curley said McQueary saw “inappropriate conduct” that he termed “horsing around” between Sandusky and the child, and Schultz said he had “the impression that Sandusky might have inappropriately grabbed the young boy’s genitals while wrestling.”

In either event, no one notified the police. And once again, before deciding what to do, no one consulted the university’s lawyer, according to Courtney, Penn State’s general counsel. Courtney was called in to advise Second Mile’s board of directors in 2009 after Sandusky informed it of the Clinton County freshman’s accusations, but Courtney said that was the first he had heard of Sandusky’s alleged inappropriate behavior.

But other than that, “at no time, whether in 1998 or in 2002 or any other point in time, was I made aware or did I have knowledge of Jerry Sandusky engaging in sexual misconduct with young children,” Courtney said. “Had I had any idea that there was even remotely improper conduct with children on any day since the beginning of time, nothing in the world would have kept me from being absolutely certain that it was reported to the police immediately. That is my duty.”

Instead, Curley and Schultz reported back to McQueary that they had decided to take away Sandusky’s keys to the locker room, bar him from bringing children to the football building and report the incident to Second Mile, according to the grand jury’s findings. Spanier, the university president, testified that he approved the plan, but that he had never been told Sandusky’s misconduct was sexual in nature.

A spokeswoman for the lawyers for Curley and Schultz said it would be “inappropriate for the defense to comment on the substance of the grand jury report.”

Spanier did not return calls requesting comment.

Courtney, for his part, said he was “as horrified and appalled and sickened and disgusted as everyone else was” when he read the grand jury report and realized the extent of the crimes of which Sandusky was accused.

 

[shag773]

Interesting NYT article...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/s...ed-sandusky-investigators.html?pagewanted=all












Does everyone have a connection to everyone?

My heart sinks everytime you post articles like this. Jesus Christ, what the fuck is happening over there?

 

[FedEx227]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc8zGCpkh1o"]DLHQ John Amaechi Interview 11/16 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[FedEx227]

Boers and Bernstein (Chicago area radio show) interview Yahoo college sports columnist Dan Wetzel about the Penn St scandal. It's good stuff. Especially if you're a Wetzel/CARTEL fan.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/?podcas...rnstein&station_id=391&tag=pages&dcid=CBS.CHI

 

[Blade]

I had plans on going to read the NYT article tonight......after reading that.....I am afraid of what more to expect from reading the rest.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

So apparently JoePa has lung cancer.

Here comes the sympathy card. :shifty:

 

[jms493]

So apparently JoePa has lung cancer.

Here comes the sympathy card. :shifty:

hence why he probably turned his house over to his wife....