Hide Yo Kids. Paterno/Sandusky Trial/Penn State Megathread

[EmpireWF]

just cause I like to stir shit up.

We are talking allegations of child molestation, however when Michael Jackson died, it seemed as if all of those things went away.. Paterno isn't even the predator in question. Wow gotta love the double standard.

What double standard? Jackson was put on trial and acquitted. Naturally, when someone DIES, people tend to remember the positives (MJ's music).

Nobody is saying Paterno did anything legally wrong, but morally, it sounds like he fucked up.

No doubt a big reason why this is getting the pub it is, is because of the PSU/Paterno aura all these years. But what allegedly happened is still despicable.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I actually think the opposite. More might be defending him because he's a coaching legend, but it's a much smaller story if it's some random mid-major college. It's true. I mean, look at how much coverage of this is centered around JoePa. The coverage and conversation should be about Sandusky being a monster and the AD being every bit as much a dirtbag to try and cover it up. Then onto the Grad Assistant. THEN to his Dad and JoePa. Paterno could have done more, pretty obviously. But it's also easier with the help of hindsight. How is he supposed to know at the time that the AD was so shady? Ideally, he'd call the police when he heard. Then again, ideally, the GA would or his Dad would. Them sending this info up is a failure on their part, but it's really a secondary story to me. The real concern is that Sandusky and the AD are nothing short of monsters, and should be penalized to the fullest extent of the law and then some. The Grad Assistant has some things to explain too, but I give him a slight benefit of the doubt just for walking into that mess. He was probably just going about his day and could be almost as scarred by it as the kid. Nobody wants to be any part of that disgusting act. But you KNOWING that, you're more responsible to report it. Legally and morally. Moreso than JoePa or his Dad in hearing that it happened and not knowing for sure. They should have reported it to the authorities. They didn't. That's wrong. But I don't feel like either of them are very responsible for the mess. If the AD does his job and takes control of this and reports it, everyone comes off better.
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Tremendous post.

 

[EmpireWF]

Kim Jones on YES pointed out that the Grad Assitant was a former football player and at the time was a big enough guy that if he had been moved to knock the fuck out of Sandusky, could have. Can't blame the guy for not doing it, but physically...shit.

Would have taken it out of the hands of the grimy AD, JoePa, Penn State as a whole and hand it to the Pennsylvania PD.

 

[shag773]

Kim Jones on YES pointed out that the Grad Assitant was a former football player and at the time was a big enough guy that if he had been moved to knock the fuck out of Sandusky, could have. Can't blame the guy for not doing it, but physically...shit.

Would have taken it out of the hands of the grimy AD, JoePa, Penn State as a whole and hand it to the Pennsylvania PD.

The grad assistant is Mike McQueary, who was a former quarterback and is currently an assistant coach. He's the red headed kid that stands next to Paterno on the sideline and gets yelled at the whole game.

 

[shag773]

What i'm saying, is I want to hear Paterno explain this, turn on my bullshit detector, and base my judgement at that point. There is too much that we don't know. It's possible Paterno wanted nothing to do with the guy for all we know.

You guys are also underestimating personal relationships and human emotion. Prisons are filled with innocent men...according to their mothers. It is entirely possible Paterno simply did not believe his friend was a creep.

Again, we don't know.

Im with you, but he needs to address this tomorrow if not sooner. His statement isn't enough. He needs to address what the pa state police commisioner said.

I've been a Penn State fan my entire life. During this time Joe has always put the university and his players ahead of himself. I have a very hard time believing that he would put the reputation of his assistant coach ahead of these kids that are being abused.

But the longer he goes without addressing it, the worse he looks.

 

[NAHSTE]

But the longer he goes without addressing it, the worse he looks.

He has gone nine years without addressing it. How could he look any worse?

 

[Maynard]

who doesnt love paterno? the guy is a living legend and a beloved icon by fans and rivals.
But there is no way he should remain as coach. he should resign and his career will forever be disgraced.

there is no way anyone can justify his actions.

you just find out that one of your coaches is anally raping a 10 year old boy in the shower....and all you do is tell your boss? the man is a scumbag and disgraced himself by not reporting this to the proper authorities. this happened in 2002. How many lives have been destroyed since then because paterno, his bosses, and penn st decided not to bring this out to the police?

This grad student should be prosecuted as well. He had first hand knowledge. he witnessed this 10 year boy being raped by a 55 year old man and rather than smash his face into the shower wall...or at the very least save the child....or even just call the cops....he basically did nothing. He calls his daddy for advise and then goes and tells paterno. Fucking peice of shit is just as guilty as the rest of them

link to the grand jury report if not already posted
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/Presentment.pdf

 

[Rudi]

Sad that these little boys can get buttfucked at age 12 yet MvP can't get a nut off at 21. :smh:

 

[Prodigal Son]

totally fucked up situation.

From everything I read, Joe Pa was never told what actually happened. He was just informed that something shady happened with a person who was not a member of his staff, but a school booster. The school then two weeks later tells him no more kids. Why do I feel like the school did investigate this, and basically told Joe Pa nothing happened?

We don't know what Joe Pa really knew, we just have what he told the Grand Jury, which is that he knew something happened, but specifics were never given.

But, if in the long run it's found out that Joe Pa knew about the incident in more detail and did nothing more about it, then he should face prison time and possibly be involved in any civil suits brought up against the school.

 

[EmpireWF]

1998 - Sandusky admitted to "inappropriate contact in the shower room" with a boy to Penn State campus police.

2000 - PSU campus janitor witnesses Sandusky performing oral sex on a boy. Another janitor sees Sandusky leaving room and building holding hands with the boy. Although they tell their supervisor, no one tells senior school officials or the police.

2002 - The graduate assistant witnesses Sandusky raping a boy in the shower. He informs Joe Paterno who informs PSU AD Tim Curley and VP of Business/Finance and University Police head Gary Schultz. University president Graham Spanier was briefed by Curley. No one contacts law enforcement officials. Curley tells Sandusky not to bring children onto campus.

2007 - Sandusky is seen at a PSU football practice with a 12 or 13 year old boy.

2011 - Sandusky was still allowed on campus as late as November 5.


All stuff taken from http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/08/s...use-inquiry.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=sports

Prosecutors believe PSU could have stopped the abuse in 1998, when a victim's mother notified campus police of improper conduct by Sandusky. Campus police were privy to a phone call between the mother and Sandusky in which he admitted to showering with the boy, refused to not do it again and said, "I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."

In addition to campus police, child protective services was involved but "did not find enough evidence of sexual assault to determine that the charge was founded." More the DA Ray Gricar decided not to pursue criminal charges.

Despite everything, Sandusky was allowed to remain part of the PSU community with free access to the grounds. They even promoted his football camp to be held on their campuses for children.

When asked if Paterno or McQueary would have violated Pennsylvania's statute requiring anyone who comes in contact with children in the course of their employment to report evidence of abuse to "appropriate authorities," Kelly said: "That's an interesting question. It might have to be addressed down the line."

Holy fuck what a complete let down every one of these people are. So many people were in a position to stop it (some actually witnessed the crimes) and turned a blind eye to it. Whether it was fear of losing jobs, fear of staining the community, the school or just plain ignorance, it's insane.

 

[NAHSTE]

The above details are unspeakable. Holy fuck.

 

[Diivox]

Earlier in the thread I commented on Paterno's lawyer boy statements (Which, by the way, I'd put money on this being the only statements JoePa makes - through his lawyer kid) that he was too old to know better.

I wonder if Paterno wasn't too old to really understand how information travels these days. There was an interesting point made on ProFootballTalk when Hank Williams Jr. got fired. one of the ESPN exec's was like "it's interesting because even just a few years ago this type of commentary would have gone away" (Like when Jr. choked that woman saying "I'm Hank Williams Jr, Bitch!" some 10 years ago).

In other words, in a different time and place this could have all been swept under a rug because Sandusky produced all those amazing linebackers. in a different time and place I wouldn't be reading the Grand Jury in another tab. in a different time and place, you could just not say anything and this type of shit wouldn't have come out as anything more than a campus rumor after the guy died.

But it's 2011, and it's a fucking travesty if Paterno coaches even one more game.

as a side note, LaVarr Arrington's comments are really sad. I feel bad for all the PSU faithful out there. As a West Coast kid who doesn't watch a ton of college football, I didn't know jack about Penn State until I saw LaVarr out there in the early stages of his career ripping it up with the Redskins.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/07/sandusky-scandal-lavar-arrington-penn-state_n_1080414.html

"to everyone who continues to ask me about the report yes i have it but i wont read it.its like seeing a family member in a casket"

that guy would be nothing without Sandusky. I can only imagine how betrayed he feels right now not only by Sandusky but by the entire institution that defined his adult life like it did so many others. My sincerest condolensces to all the Nittany Lion alum out there reading this who have to carry with them "attended the school where that one guy raped all those kids" for the next 6 months to anyone they mention it to.

 

[NAHSTE]

At this point it wouldn't shock me if it came out that Sandusky wasn't the only kid diddler at Penn State.

 

[nflman2033]

What double standard? Jackson was put on trial and acquitted. Naturally, when someone DIES, people tend to remember the positives (MJ's music).

Nobody is saying Paterno did anything legally wrong, but morally, it sounds like he fucked up.

No doubt a big reason why this is getting the pub it is, is because of the PSU/Paterno aura all these years. But what allegedly happened is still despicable.

My issue is no one is letting go to trial before condemning him and everyone around him.

 

[webbi]

thats todays society.. guilty until proven innocent..

My issue is no one is letting go to trial before condemning him and everyone around him.

 

[FirstTimer]

Saw on ESPN's bottom line that PSU banned Sandusky from being on campus in 2002...but still allowed him on satellite campus'?

 

[ralaw]

It's interesting that Mike McQueary is an assistant football coach right now at PSU. JoPa and McQueary never discussed this any further? Especially given the timeline of events that Empire posted? I don't see how anyone could gather that this wasn't a cover up by all involved. Paterno wil probably play the dumb and naive old man role, but come on.

 

[EmpireWF]

Toward the end, it says something about Victim 7 being contacted by Sandusky, his wife, and a close friend of Sandusky. He didn't reply. I'm curious about those calls..

The report said it happened when the Grand Jury stuff started going on. Who knows what they intended to tell the victim, wonder what the wife would have to say. Crazy.

Saw on ESPN's bottom line that PSU banned Sandusky from being on campus in 2002...but still allowed him on satellite campus'?

The report included a statement from one of the administrators of the school saying that while they "banned" him, it was not enforceable because of the size of the campus.


What's also weird is even after the incidents on school grounds, nobody attempted to find the victims to follow up, at least according to the grand jury report.

Btw, Paterno's people said his day with the media today will not include any questions about the case, only football.

 

[ralaw]

Btw, Paterno's people said his day with the media today will not include any questions about the case, only football.

That's a bad move my him. However, I guess he ignored it for 9 years, so why not do it some more. However, people don't care about Nebraska, but instead little boys in PSU showers.
The media is going to dig up more facts, so he might as well just come out and say something.

 

[shag773]

At this point it wouldn't shock me if it came out that Sandusky wasn't the only kid diddler at Penn State.

It wouldn't shock me if their was a kid diddler who is coaching/coached anywhere in th college landscape, even *gasp* LSU....

You want to say Paterno didn't do enough to stop this sick prick 10 years ago, fine. Honestly with everything that's coming out it's becoming more apparent that might be the case. But I still want to hear Paterno address it this afternoon.

Why don't we stick with what the facts are and not go off on these wild tangents that are based off of nothing.