Saints Defense maintained a Bounty Program

[Senser81]

The Real Outrage of the Saints Bounty Scandal
http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...t_does_it_matter_why_everyone_gets_hurt_.html
Nate Jackson - Slate

Great article talking about the money involved and reward system in football (all levels).

Don't quite get the point of the article. Do bounties make the game more dangerous? Can you really say one way or another? And if there is the slightest chance that bounties do make the game more dangerous, then shouldn't the NFL try to legislate it?

The article makes it seem as if the league office is being hypocritical, but thats a very elementary way of viewing things. The NFL can't have bounties, because its too easy to injure a QB (for example). If the league starts losing its Brett Favre's and Kurt Warner's to bounty-induced injuries, then the NFL product itself is going to resemble the XFL, with terrible offenses and the only exciting moments being produced by the steal-the-bacon coin flip.

 

[FirstTimer]

So you don't think the game in inherently violent?

.

:joeybats:

:joker:


:lol:

God help you if you think that question is relevant after reading his post.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

"If players never intentionally injure each other, and its impossible to injure someone within the framework of the rules, how could bounties exist in the first place? If players never have intent to injure, how could the concept of 'dirty players' even exist?"

Bounties exist as reward for big hits...and in the Saints case, injuries resulting from big hits.

Dirty players are players that play past the whistle and past the rules. Therefore anything they do is not within the rules, which is what im talking about.

If injuring players was so easy like you claim, then all of the Saints opponents shoulda had players carted off the field every game, which didnt happen.

I dont have the stats but i bet the Saints opponents injury rate was the same as every other team.

Your posting has transformed into something beyond terrible. Take a break.

This is senser-speak for "i have nothing to counter with".

 

[DSpydr84]

God help you if you think that question is relevant after reading his post.

It was a rhetorical question in response to his perspective on what I said. Thanks Jeeves.

 

[FirstTimer]

It was a rhetorical question in response to his perspective on what I said. Thanks Jeeves.

If you think the rhetorical question has any merit you don't understand his perspective.

Quit being a doofus.

 

[DSpydr84]

If you think the rhetorical question has any merit you don't understand his perspective.

Quit being a doofus.

That was kinda the point (and the point of rhetoric devices), to see his perspective...

:dogchasingtail:

 

[FirstTimer]

That was kinda the point (and the point of rhetoric devices), to see his perspective...

:dogchasingtail:

:gayrod:

:brianwilson:

:joeybats:


Try again genius.

Your rhetorical question made no point because it's not his perspective.......................................

 

[DSpydr84]

Here is the cliffnotes version of this thread:

Zoneblitz: No player in NFL history has ever tried to injure another player. I've personally spoken with several ex-NFL players, and they've all corroborated the private thoughts and intentions of the other players they played with. Besides, its impossible to intentionally injure someone anyways.

Tailback U: You can't stop people from having bounties, so why bother punishing the offenders? In fact, why are we even talking about this? Its a non-issue. My point is that no one other than myself should even be discussing this.

DSpyder84: Come see the violence inherent in the system!! Come see the violence inherent in the system!!

So you don't think the game in inherently violent?

Again, I'm not saying it's acceptable. That's one of the reasons I like it, but it doesn't make it right. But you even said yourself that these things happened in the past and their happening again today. AGAIN, I AM NOT THROWING MY HANDS IN THE AIR SAYING "LET IT GO". What I'm saying is if they want these things to change, the game needs to be played in a different manner. That's it. And it doesn't bother me which way they choose to go, but if they think they can put a stop to CERTAIN PLAYERS (NOT EVERYONE IN THE LEAGUE) trying to hurt other players and/or betting on performances, I don't think they can under the current framework of the game. Every article being posted says this happens everywhere (although W2B is probably correct saying it wasn't nearly to the level of New Orleans). The culture of the game promotes it. Either that changes, or this stuff keeps happening.

To me, I couldn't care less if they kept the game how it is and "bounties" (of some sort) continued. It really doesn't affect me, I don't know these guys, I just watch the game. Their long-term health isn't my concern, sorry if that sounds cold. But the NFL is foolish if they think anything that happens here will stop it forever, unless the rules of the game are different.

Your rhetorical question made no point because it's not his perspective.......................................

I've got no problem admitting when I'm wrong or if I said something strange, but you're not making any sense here.

He's laughing at me saying the game is violent, so I'm asking if he thinks the game is not violent (with the understanding that he thinks it is, hence rhetorical).

Why am I explaining myself. This is so stupid.

 

[FirstTimer]

I've got no problem admitting when I'm wrong or if I said something strange, but you're not making any sense here.

:joeybats:

He's laughing at me saying the game is violent

No, he's laughing at you for being stupid.

Continually saying the game is violent is an obviously point and holds no weight in the discussion in the context of having bounties to injure people.

Again.

Quit being a moron.

 

[Tailback U]

The Real Outrage of the Saints Bounty Scandal
http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...t_does_it_matter_why_everyone_gets_hurt_.html
Nate Jackson - Slate

Great article talking about the money involved and reward system in football (all levels).

This article is exactly what I am talking about. My thoughts are identical.

 

[FedEx227]

Don't quite get the point of the article. Do bounties make the game more dangerous? Can you really say one way or another? And if there is the slightest chance that bounties do make the game more dangerous, then shouldn't the NFL try to legislate it?

The article makes it seem as if the league office is being hypocritical, but thats a very elementary way of viewing things. The NFL can't have bounties, because its too easy to injure a QB (for example). If the league starts losing its Brett Favre's and Kurt Warner's to bounty-induced injuries, then the NFL product itself is going to resemble the XFL, with terrible offenses and the only exciting moments being produced by the steal-the-bacon coin flip.

I think the author wants people to realize that no matter what you do at it's core football is an extremely violent game that destroys and kills it's players whether there are bounties or not.

To be fair though, my opinion is that bounties are still awful since it's maddening to ignore that giving monetary benefits to intentionally injure someone is a huge liability. I think at it's core it's a violent game and you won't escape that. The game itself will never be safe.

 

[Senser81]

So you don't think the game in inherently violent?

Again, I'm not saying it's acceptable. That's one of the reasons I like it, but it doesn't make it right. But you even said yourself that these things happened in the past and their happening again today. AGAIN, I AM NOT THROWING MY HANDS IN THE AIR SAYING "LET IT GO". What I'm saying is if they want these things to change, the game needs to be played in a different manner. That's it. And it doesn't bother me which way they choose to go, but if they think they can put a stop to CERTAIN PLAYERS (NOT EVERYONE IN THE LEAGUE) trying to hurt other players and/or betting on performances, I don't think they can under the current framework of the game. Every article being posted says this happens everywhere (although W2B is probably correct saying it wasn't nearly to the level of New Orleans). The culture of the game promotes it. Either that changes, or this stuff keeps happening.

To me, I couldn't care less if they kept the game how it is and "bounties" (of some sort) continued. It really doesn't affect me, I don't know these guys, I just watch the game. Their long-term health isn't my concern, sorry if that sounds cold. But the NFL is foolish if they think anything that happens here will stop it forever, unless the rules of the game are different.

Cliffnotes version of this post: Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

 

[Senser81]

This is senser-speak for "i have nothing to counter with".

This is zoneblitz-speak for "no, I won't".

 

[ZoneBlitz]

This is zoneblitz-speak for "no, I won't".

It takes alot for you to not respond to a post, so ill take that as you accepting defeat. Your posting slump continues.

 

[Senser81]

So you don't think the game in inherently violent?

Me: The game is violent enough as it is...the NFL doesn't need to be complicit with bounties for injuring players. They need to punish those who indulge in bounties.

DSpydr84: What? You don't think the game is inherently violent?

Me:

ARE

YOU

FUCKING

RETARDED

?????????????

 

[dope]

Cliffnotes version of this post: Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

all i've got to offer this fine thread

 

[MrBill]

All "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" references must be thanked :yep:

 

[ZoneBlitz]

it is entirely possible to attempt to injure an opposing player with "a good, clean, legal hit"

So what? If the hit is good & clean & legal, whats wrong with it?

 

[Juggernaut]

I dont have the stats but i bet the Saints opponents injury rate was the same as every other team.

I'd actually want to see those stats.

I think the author wants people to realize that no matter what you do at it's core football is an extremely violent game that destroys and kills it's players whether there are bounties or not.

To be fair though, my opinion is that bounties are still awful since it's maddening to ignore that giving monetary benefits to intentionally injure someone is a huge liability. I think at it's core it's a violent game and you won't escape that. The game itself will never be safe.

Exactly sums up my opinion on this matter.

 

[FedEx227]

Some people can watch the modern gladiator sport and be perfectly okay knowing these guys are killing themselves. I personally can't, but I totally understand why people can and why people enjoy it.