Saints Defense maintained a Bounty Program

[Warner2BruceTD]

No, but how about stop PMSing and going emotionally overboard, and at least acknowledge the practical side and practical solutions.

All you had to do in the Braun thread was say, this is why I think he's guilty, but I understand why you would want to wait to see if MLB gets the Arbitrators ruling reversed. I think it's fine that you want to be more cautious and want the process to play out. And I respect that you want safeguards in place to minimize the chance of convicting an innocent person. Here is why I think Braun will end up being found guilty.

Instead, you completely ignored the sensibleness of it, and instead PMS'd like a little teenage girl, accusing me of saying things I didn't say (which I'm still waiting for my apology, like I apologized for misrepresenting you), or calling me names.

Stop being such a girl. And I don't mean that in the "you have to be meat-head macho" kind of way. I mean that in the, stop being so over the top emotional and be more practical. Men want to be practical and solve issues, women just want to PMS over them. Which one are you?

The fact that you think clean hitting negates a bounty is so fundametally stupid, that much like the Braun thread were you clearly were lost and without a clients, I just cant do this anymore. I like a good argument, but you see things from the worst angles and engaging you is pointless.

The NFL is going to be incredibly harsh on this, and rightfully so. Because its deplorable. Sad that people are downplaying it, but the tough guy fan culture of the NFL fans is strong.

 

[bucky]

You really see nothing wrong with this, do you?

You see something wrong with the Refs flagging illegal hits and the league handing out significant fines and suspensions for illegal hits?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Illegal hit? The league should give hefty fines and suspensions. That's what I've been saying the entire time. You have something against that?

I'm also saying the league should be making these bounties functionally ineffective.

Jesus fuck, you are so dense.

The only way to make bounties "functionally ineffective" is to throw the cretins who participate in this barbaric shit out of the league.

You are failing to understand why the hits being clean or dirty does not matter, but thats not surprising because you fail to understand most things. You just cling to rulebooks and see everything in black or white.

 

[Rayman]

I don't watch every Saints game, but I'm pretty sure they did. Referees don't catch every penalty anyway. Even if they didn't, you dumbasses are fine with the incentive to do it. You're retarded if you think that $10,000 didn't give somebody more incentive to hit a guy low or twist an ankle under a pile.

And you see the hit on Favre? One guy went low, the other went high. Looked pretty illegal to me.

Bullshit. Refs throw laundry if you sneeze too close to a QB. To say they would blatantly miss multiple personal fouls for a team that was being investigated by the NFL for that reason is asinine. If they violated such rules in harming poor Brett Favre and Kurt Warner, then why weren't the flags flying?

And if the refs simply "missed the call", why didn't Roger the Deliverer issue fines accordingly in the weeks that followed?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

You see something wrong with the Refs flagging illegal hits and the league handing out significant fines and suspensions for illegal hits?

Yeah. In relatoon to bounties I do, because that stuff doesnt stop them from being in place. And if they are in place, people will persue them.

Never mind the fact that the cash exchange is against the NFL rules to begin with, besides being morally and ethically corrupt.

Whats wrong with you?

 

[Rayman]

Jesus fuck, you are so dense.

The only way to make bounties "functionally ineffective" is to throw the cretins who participate in this barbaric shit out of the league.

You are failing to understand why the hits being clean or dirty does not matter, but thats not surprising because you fail to understand most things. You just cling to rulebooks and see everything in black or white.

Throw them out? You trolling? If they were to find out everyone that takes or took part in this sort of thing, you're talking about banning at least half the defensive players in the league.

 

[bucky]

The fact that you think clean hitting negates a bounty is so fundametally stupid

Way to misrepresent AGAIN. It would be the hefty fines and significant suspensions that would negate the effectiveness of functionality of Bounty's. How you get the above statement from this is what's fundamentally stupid. Stop PMSing.

, that much like the Braun thread were you clearly were lost and without a clients, I just cant do this anymore. I like a good argument, but you see things from the worst angles and engaging you is pointless.

Again, the Arbitrator rules the evidence unusable. I'm waiting to see if that's overturned and found to be usable. Both practical and sensible. Stop going so emotionally overboard. Stop PMSing.

The NFL is going to be incredibly harsh on this, and rightfully so. Because its deplorable. Sad that people are downplaying it, but the tough guy fan culture of the NFL fans is strong.

I don't have a problem with the NFL being harsh with this. But stop looking at only the emotional side. Stop being so overly dramatic, emotionally overboard. Stop PMSing.

I'm looking at the practical side. What's the real effectiveness of these bounty's and what is a practical way to stop them. Be a man, stop being such a teenage girl.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Throw them out? You trolling? If they were to find out everyone that takes or took part in this sort of thing, you're talking about banning at least half the defensive players in the league.

Of course im trolling.

First time here?

 

[Rayman]

What the hell? Where did you come up with this?

Unless you mean "To say they would miss multiple blatant personal fouls for a team that was being investigated by the NFL for that reason is asinine."

Either way I'm not getting into it because you're blatantly retarded.

Whatever. Saves me the time and energy.

 

[NWSaint]

I wonder how many people actually collected on these "bounties" considering our D was never amazing for those years.

LoL.. that's what I was thinking.

 

[Rayman]

Of course im trolling.

First time here?

:facepalm:

I'm going outside.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Former Redskin Matt Bowen says Williams used bounties in Washington, and while most players know its wrong, it does happen and he thinks it should stop.

In all seriousness, I would not be totally opposed to throwing Williams out of the league. It would send a strong messege that this stuff wont be tolerated. I think he's facing a long suspension for sure.

 

[bucky]

"Originally Posted by bucky View Post
You see something wrong with the Refs flagging illegal hits and the league handing out significant fines and suspensions for illegal hits?"

Yeah. In relatoon to bounties I do,

So you think players involved in a bounty program should be exempt from Refs flags and league fines and suspensions? Are you trolling or just flat out retarded?

because that stuff doesnt stop them from being in place. And if they are in place, people will persue them.

Increase the fines, increase the suspensions. Stop PMSing.

Never mind the fact that the cash exchange is against the NFL rules to begin with, besides being morally and ethically corrupt.

Have the NFL take action against the team. Done. Stop PMSing.

Whats wrong with you?

Really Warner, what's wrong with you? Please, tell me you're a woman, and I'll completely understand.

 

[Tailback U]

No, but how about stop PMSing and going emotionally overboard, and at least acknowledge the practical side and practical solutions.

All you had to do in the Braun thread was say, this is why I think he's guilty, but I understand why you would want to wait to see if MLB gets the Arbitrators ruling reversed. I think it's fine that you want to be more cautious and want the process to play out. And I respect that you want safeguards in place to minimize the chance of convicting an innocent person. Here is why I think Braun will end up being found guilty.

Instead, you completely ignored the sensibleness of it, and instead PMS'd like a little teenage girl, accusing me of saying things I didn't say (which I'm still waiting for my apology, like I apologized for misrepresenting you), or calling me names.

Stop being such a girl. And I don't mean that in the "you have to be meat-head macho" kind of way. I mean that in the, stop being so over the top emotional and be more practical. Men want to be practical and solve issues, women just want to PMS over them. Which one are you?

My thoughts exactly. And I'm right there with you on how W2B likes to twist your words around to make it sound like you are saying something you aren't. He exaggerates it and wants to spin it so you look like an idiot. He does repeatedly and it's getting really lame.

Second point, some of you are seriously acting like women. This is the response I would expect from a woman who has never played football so they have no idea about how violent and aggressive the players are towards each other.

 

[NWSaint]

This is football. This is how it's always been. This is what you sign up for when you put on the pads, and especially when you are playing professionally and your job is on the line every single play.

I don't care if you're Kurt Warner or Mother Theresa, if you get on that football field you will get the shit knocked out of you and nobody is going to take it easy on you just because you're a quarterback or a woman or a pussy like some of you.

You guys were obviously taught different and played football a different way than I did. There were no friends on the football fields that I played on. We were out to knock the shit out of every single person on the opposing team. Never cheap or dirty, if that dude's head isn't on a swivel and he doesn't see me then that sucks for him but it's not my job to let him know I'm coming to wreck his shit.

That's all I have to say about this. You can call these guys cheap or dirty, I call them football players. If the refs don't throw a flag, it is legal and within the rules, and that is all that matters to me.

WORD!!!!

.. as a former return specialist I WISH some of those guys (even in practice)
let up just a notch, but they didn't, they were comin' at me with the intent to
not just knock the ball out, but to knock me the F' out as well.. I lol at anyone
that thinks football is a half speed or civil sport, the only difference between
the Saints and the other 31 is that the Saints got busted doing it, and I mean
really, if anyone thinks the other teams don't do things like this behind closed
doors then your seriously out of touch with reality, no offense intended. Pro
football always has been and always will be the most violent game played.
Your talkin' the best athletes on the planet juiced up on PED's that a good
majority of you know absolutely nothing about except what you read in the
paper or on the internet.. trust me, it doesn't take a bounty to make a mf'er
want to tear someones head off their shoulders.. add a little caffeine, a lil'
coke or meth or whatever to kick you up, then throw in the PED's, lol, gentle-
men your looking at grown men doing WHATEVER IT TAKES to keep their job
so some young draft pick who's ridin' the pine doesn't steal their multi-million
dollar lifestyle, and when you lose that edge, your done........... period.
You can think what you want, and paint a picture with the perfect brush, but
when it comes down to it these athletes are very well paid to do a job, and if
they don't do it then someone else can and will.. that is all.




NW.

 

[Tailback U]

Yeah. In relatoon to bounties I do, because that stuff doesnt stop them from being in place. And if they are in place, people will persue them.

Never mind the fact that the cash exchange is against the NFL rules to begin with, besides being morally and ethically corrupt.

Whats wrong with you?

I really love the irony of a former bookie talking about other people being morally and ethically corrupt.

Seriously, you're a fucking joke man.

 

[s@ppisgod]

The fact that you think clean hitting negates a bounty is so fundametally stupid, that much like the Braun thread were you clearly were lost and without a clients, I just cant do this anymore. I like a good argument, but you see things from the worst angles and engaging you is pointless.

The NFL is going to be incredibly harsh on this, and rightfully so. Because its deplorable. Sad that people are downplaying it, but the tough guy fan culture of the NFL fans is strong.

-Clean hits don't negate the bounty, but you're still just punishing them on the idea of the bounty/the lying to cover it up. It's impossible to argue intent to begin with, not to mention months/years after the fact.

-The "pussification" is the most over-used bullshit I've ever heard. Concussions are serious, and when you start reading more and more stories about guys going guano crazy after retirement and not remembering what they ate for breakfast, killing themselves, possibly others down the line. It's serious, and you have to make rules to try and prevent the sheer number of concussions. Now things like illegal contact being called every other pass play and not being able to graze a QB's knee on a follow through is BS, but it's incompetence at the top over these things. It's got nothing to do with cleaning up the game from a health stand-point and everything to do with trying to increase offensive numbers and keep star offensive players in the game and producing.

-I can't see them coming down harder for this than they did the Pats for Spygate. Bottom line is that one was lying (which is wrong), paying players to play borderline dirty (which is wrong), and not reporting payments to the NFL (which is wrong). But none of that brings the integrity of the game into question, like Spygate did. There's nothing more important to the NFL than presenting to the fans that the game is an even playing field. I swear, if we ever see the day that a starting QB is alleged to have bet on his games Pete Rose style, I wouldn't be surprised to see Roger slit that man's throat in the background of Rich Eisen's 40. There's some things the NFL absolutely cannot stand for, and compromising the integrity of the game is one of them. Bounties, probably aren't. The Saints are going to get a big hit, but not the type of craziness you're asking for with Payton/Williams fired, players suspended, and all that good stuff. Big fine, loss of a 1st or 2nd, a token firing on the Saints end (whomever they deem least valuable), and maybe Payton gets a game or two.

 

[ralaw]

Does the fact that teams have engaged in bounties change the fact that the league can't have this stuff happening? I really don't get what all of the defending is about. The league can't have this sort of thing happening. All of the players mentioning that "football is a contact sport" will be trying to sue the league for negligence.

 

[bucky]

Does the fact that teams have engaged in bounties change the fact that the league can't have this stuff happening? I really don't get what all of the defending is about. The league can't have this sort of thing happening. All of the players mentioning that "football is a contact sport" will be trying to sue the league for negligence.

I don't get where you get "defending" from. Seems this thread disagrees on the effectiveness of Bounty's and how to effectively eliminate them from the game. Some are far to emotional about it and not nearly practical enough.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I often forget about bucky's inability to comprehend basic points and logic, so forgive me for contributing to this abomonation.

Tailback is just an unstable weirdo who keeps bringing up hard hitting as if it has a single thing to do with the issue of bounties.