Saints Defense maintained a Bounty Program

[EmpireWF]

It has everything to do with playing to hit hard. I can't believe you still think that they are taking aim at certain parts of the body with the intent to injure. You just don't understand how difficult that really is apparently. You end up out of position that way.

So then there was no bounty program? It was just guys playing football.

lhoss:

 

[KNUBB]

I'll just leave this here

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...tem-commonplace-in-nfl?module=HP11_hot_topics

 

[nwfisch]

I'll just leave this here

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...tem-commonplace-in-nfl?module=HP11_hot_topics

Author of that article is Bucky :gayrod: :cano:

Just because its commonplace, doesn't make it right.

People steal despite it being illegal, just because a lot of people do it, doesn't mean that stealing is justified.

 

[nwfisch]

Show me Saints.

Hitting Earl Bennett in the chest, knocking him out 6 weeks :cano:

Season ending injury for Gabe Carimi

Stomping on Jay Cutler's throat.


Need I go on.


:joeybats:

 

[leaffan]

You should no problem finding tons of examples from a dirty team. As far as the Steve Smith play is concerned that is a rival and that game very chippy from the opening kickoff. That wasn't the 1st fight, but out of context it looks pretty bad. Still looks bad though

I can't find anything for most NFL related media on youtube. So they're probably removing the content.

 

[Houston]

I see nothing wrong with it because it's the nature of the game. If I tell a guy to fill the alley at full speed, I don't expect him to get there and play patty-cake with the running back.

Why not have a reward system? A "big hit" is too subjective, so he said if you need to injure a guy. I really don't see why it's a big deal. Every player in the NFL gets some type of ding in every single game. There's not one guy in the league after week 3 that isn't hurt in some way. I think it's cool, actually. Go knock a dude out. That's how we play D.

To me, it's foolish of you to think this doesn't happen everywhere, or if it's not to the extent of paying players, there isn't one guy out there who isn't trying to get a knock-out hit on his resume. Tell me when you played in HS you didn't want to de-cleat a guy. There's no guarantee that he gets hurt, but fuck, if he does, I'm getting paid. I win twice.

I was just about to post a picture of the James Harrison/Colt McCoy gif, then it hit me...you were one of the bozos who defended that play. I knew you were missing a few screws when it comes to this, but I forgot how bad. Never mind then, no point of me even trying to reason with you.

 

[Realist]

Donte Whitner had a bounty out for Pierre Thomas. Whiter got paid :smug:

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I see nothing wrong with it because it's the nature of the game. If I tell a guy to fill the alley at full speed, I don't expect him to get there and play patty-cake with the running back.

Hold on...bounties are the nature of the game? Is this really what you are saying, here?

Why not have a reward system? A "big hit" is too subjective, so he said if you need to injure a guy. I really don't see why it's a big deal. Every player in the NFL gets some type of ding in every single game. There's not one guy in the league after week 3 that isn't hurt in some way. I think it's cool, actually. Go knock a dude out. That's how we play D.

I don't even have words for this. You think it's "cool" that players are being paid to injure other players.

Not meant to be sarcastic, serious question. How old are you?

To me, it's foolish of you to think this doesn't happen everywhere, or if it's not to the extent of paying players, there isn't one guy out there who isn't trying to get a knock-out hit on his resume. Tell me when you played in HS you didn't want to de-cleat a guy. There's no guarantee that he gets hurt, but fuck, if he does, I'm getting paid. I win twice.

It happening everywhere doesn't make it sensible, classy, or within the rules.

To the bold - yes, when I player football I wanted to de-cleat a guy. Every game. But ffs, I never thought to myself, 'man, I hope i injure somebody today...it would be so cool!'. Never. Not once.

Can't believe there is a small handful of psychopaths here who are condoning human bounties. I figured this would be a 100% topic. Were you people raised by serial killers?

 

[jaxjaggywires]

I'm assuming this probably happened when Williams was DC in Jacksonville for a year too...luckily, there's only a couple guys left from that defense in case this thing goes way back in time and they start disciplining players for accepting blood money.

 

[Houston]

So then there was no bounty program? It was just guys playing football.

lhoss:

That's what I've been trying to figure out.

Similar to how Tailback U said earlier "you don't mean to injure anyone". When that's exactly what the bounty is for, idiot.
Then you have Spydr saying that people already naturally do this. If that's the case....why would there be a need for a Bounty, or extra incentive?

Don't understand this thinking.

 

[killgod]

Hold on...bounties are the nature of the game? Is this really what you are saying, here?



I don't even have words for this. You think it's "cool" that players are being paid to injure other players.

Not meant to be sarcastic, serious question. How old are you?



It happening everywhere doesn't make it sensible, classy, or within the rules.

To the bold - yes, when I player football I wanted to de-cleat a guy. Every game. But ffs, I never thought to myself, 'man, I hope i injure somebody today...it would be so cool!'. Never. Not once.

Can't believe there is a small handful of psychopaths here who are condoning human bounties. I figured this would be a 100% topic. Were you people raised by serial killers?

I'm with you on this one.

When I play sport and someone is hurt, regardless of my own doing, I want him to get up.

I don't want him to stay down so I can help pay for my new ferrari this week, but apparently that's the acceptable way to think.

Greed and personal gain know no bounds I guess.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

That's what I've been trying to figure out.

Similar to how Tailback U said earlier "you don't mean to injure anyone". When that's exactly what the bounty is for, idiot.
Then you have Spydr saying that people already naturally do this. If that's the case....why would there be a need for a Bounty, or extra incentive?

Don't understand this thinking.

Its a horrendous argument on that side. It really is.

It just goes to show, that no matter how obvious something looks, you can always find a small handful of people on any side of a debate.

 

[bucky]

I'll just leave this here

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...tem-commonplace-in-nfl?module=HP11_hot_topics

Forget it. Warner's not going to be able to understand this. He'll read that and somehow, for some reason, read "bounty to injure".

 

[killgod]

Forget it. Warner's not going to be able to understand this. He'll read that and somehow, for some reason, read "bounty to injure".

knockout shots were also included in the payouts.

Yeah for some unknown reason he'll think that. No idea where he's getting it from.


It's just a spin article to make this situation look cleaner for the NFL. It's a fucking NFL.com release for christ's sake.

 

[bucky]

Author of that article is Bucky :gayrod: :cano:

Just because its commonplace, doesn't make it right.

People steal despite it being illegal, just because a lot of people do it, doesn't mean that stealing is justified.

Did you even read the thing. It said incentives for impact plays, including good, clean, hard hits. According to the article, the programs had no intent to injure through dirty, illegal hits.

But I guess when you have no valid comeback, all you have left is to through out a smart ass comment.

Comment on the actual article.

 

[killgod]

Can't wait for the NFLPA to say "THE LEAGUE DOESNT CARE ABOUT OUR HEALTH."


Fucking brutal.

 

[bucky]

If he's admitted to a bounty program for inflicting injuries, then he should be fined, suspended and the league could even penalize the team in some capacity.

This is very different than incentives for impact plays.

EDIT: I read the rest of it and the article isn't completely clear. First it says that Williams admits to Bounty's to injure, but gives no direct quote, and states that "Former Bills linebacker Eddie Robinson disputed that Williams encouraged injuring players, but he confirmed that there were cash bonuses."

So it's the article doesn't really clear things up.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Yeah for some unknown reason he'll think that. No idea where he's getting it from.


It's just a spin article to make this situation look cleaner for the NFL. It's a fucking NFL.com release for christ's sake.

lol

Reminds me of somebody posting a quote from THE BREWERS PLAYERS UNION REP in the Braun thread.

Totally impartial and credible, that guy must be.

 

[bucky]

Yeah for some unknown reason he'll think that. No idea where he's getting it from.


It's just a spin article to make this situation look cleaner for the NFL. It's a fucking NFL.com release for christ's sake.

According to Warner, from earlier in this thread, there is a huge difference and distinction between "lights out hits" or knock out hits, and hits to injure. According to Warner the "lights out hits" are OK.

So Warner, are "lights out hits" OK or not? Incentives for impact plays including "lights out hits" doesn't seem to be an ethical question there. Bounty's for injuries is a different story.

So Warner, you gonna contradict yourself?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

According to Warner, from earlier in this thread, there is a huge difference and distinction between "lights out hits" or knock out hits, and hits to injure. According to Warner the "lights out hits" are OK.

So Warner, are "lights out hits" OK or not? Incentives for impact plays including "lights out hits" doesn't seem to be an ethical question there. Bounty's for injuries is a different story.

So Warner, you gonna contradict yourself?

Are you really trying to convince me that the Saints were not paying guys with the incentive to injure? You really don't think that was happening? Now who's being naive?

Vilma put $10k on the table to take out Favre, not to "give him a good, clean tackle!".

Get your head out of the sand, you goofball.