Saints Defense maintained a Bounty Program

[young2rice]

^^^ isn't that an illegal leading w/ helmet-to-helmet hit? (on a defenseless receiver)

 

[Tailback U]

^^^ isn't that an illegal leading w/ helmet-to-helmet hit?

Illegal now, not then. Some people would call it cheap and dirty, though.

Of course, he didn't mean to do it. He wasn't trying to hurt Brown. And he certainly didn't enjoy it. :yu:

 

[Fappin Raptor]

^^^ isn't that an illegal leading w/ helmet-to-helmet hit?

It's ok, it wasn't illegal then. Slavery also wasn't illegal at one point. :lesmug:

 

[Houston]

Reggie Brown is laying there dead and everyone in the stadium is cheering.

And you....see nothing wrong with this?

:joker:

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I think the point is that football is a violent game. I know people who played just to hit people. Some of the greatest defenders in the game are crazy MFers.

Key word being violent. It is not a contact sport, it's a collision sport.

How often in the locker room would you hear a guy say "I'm gonna knock this guy out" or "I can't wait to hit so-and-so". Well, these guys aren't in high school anymore and they have money to play with, so it turns into a wager.

Is it wrong? I'll be honest with you, if I still played, it'd be a fun little bet. If that makes me crazy, so be it. You have to be crazy to play football. You have to. There's nothing normal about running full speed into a guy that's running full speed at you.

Not speaking to W2B personally, but I think as a whole we are seriously undermining how violent the game is. These are not normal people. These aren't guys who have clean jump shots or a smooth swing. The object of the game is to stop another HUMAN BEING through physical force from taking a ball across your goal-line. No other sport even compares to the amount of violence, or has violence as a main objective of achieving your goal (except fighting).

I'm not saying the NFL should allow it, but again, for more than half the players in the league, the thrill of the game is getting to hit people. It's not juking, not throwing a good ball, it's knocking a guy the fuck out. That is the nature of the sport. Whether the NFL wants that image, it does not matter. Players who play are violent, aggressive dudes. They want to impose their will. I don't think that will ever change, no matter what they try to do to stop it. And quite frankly, I hope it doesn't.

This is a well thought out post, and all of this is a more sane way of saying what the insane Tailback has been saying, but no offense, none of it is relevant to the issue of bounties.

None of this condones putting up money in exchange for injuring people. That concept should not exist is a civilized society, no matter how much testosterone filled joy you feel when you watch football. It is mutually exclusive from enjoying hard hitting football.

Both bucky & Tailback have stated in this thread that they have no problem with human bounties in the game, provided there are no illegal hits happening. That is absurd on multiple levels, and I cant believe i've wasted all of this time debating that type of nonsensical drivel.

Sorry, but you guys are woefully off base.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I'm a Miami Hurricane and I approve of the bounty system.

 

[bucky]

Both bucky & Tailback have stated in this thread that they have no problem with human bounties in the game, provided there are no illegal hits happening.

If it's a legal hit, it's not a Bounty. It's an incentive for a good clean play.
Bounty for illegal hits out to hurt someone, bad.
Player pool for good clean hits, who cares.
There's a huge difference.

 

[Tailback U]

This is a well thought out post, and all of this is a more sane way of saying what the insane Tailback has been saying, but no offense, none of it is relevant to the issue of bounties.

None of this condones putting up money in exchange for injuring people. That concept should not exist is a civilized society, no matter how much testosterone filled joy you feel when you watch football. It is mutually exclusive from enjoying hard hitting football.

Both bucky & Tailback have stated in this thread that they have no problem with human bounties in the game, provided there are no illegal hits happening. That is absurd on multiple levels, and I cant believe i've wasted all of this time debating that type of nonsensical drivel.

Sorry, but you guys are woefully off base.

I have no problem with bounties because I really don't think they make a difference on the bottom line.

Bottom line is that Player A is going to hit Player B as hard as he possibly can and try to hurt him. He was going to do it for fun, now he is also getting paid to do it. Of course he's going to take the money for something that he was going to do already.

Why is it acceptable for someone to do this for fun but now all of a sudden it's not ok because he gets a cash incentive for doing it? You are fine with them doing it for fun, but if they get cash for it now all of a sudden it's morally/ethically wrong to you? How does that make sense? The intention is already there, with or without money.

Again, the bounty isn't making or breaking these guys attitudes towards each other. They are going to hit each other and try to lay each other out just because they flat out enjoy it.

How you can disagree that these guys don't enjoy lighting each other up is beyond me. I can post a million clips of guys celebrating after making huge hits, inflicting pain and hurt on another man, and you'll still sit there and some how try to tell me that they don't enjoy doing it. It's laughable.

I think this is where we disagree. You actually think that players don't enjoy hitting each other as hard as they possibly can and hurting them. I do.

Here's the scenario:

Jonathan Vilma: $10k to the guy that knocks out Favre.

Will Smith: Shit I was going to try to do that anyway but I'll gladly take your money if you want me to.

I'm not saying it's ok or should be allowed or that it is right.

I'm saying it doesn't make a difference and if it doesn't make a difference then I personally don't care whether or not it is in the game, but the NFL should definitely ban it because it looks bad.

 

[DSpydr84]

This is a well thought out post, and all of this is a more sane way of saying what the insane Tailback has been saying, but no offense, none of it is relevant to the issue of bounties.

None of this condones putting up money in exchange for injuring people. That concept should not exist is a civilized society, no matter how much testosterone filled joy you feel when you watch football. It is mutually exclusive from enjoying hard hitting football.

Both bucky & Tailback have stated in this thread that they have no problem with human bounties in the game, provided there are no illegal hits happening. That is absurd on multiple levels, and I cant believe i've wasted all of this time debating that type of nonsensical drivel.

Sorry, but you guys are woefully off base.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that football is not a civilized game. Like I mentioned earlier, if I were to run up to you walking down the street and knocked you off your ass, I would go to jail.

It's such a fine line to me. Like here's a perfect example:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUPrI8sI63A"]Alabama's Mark Barron levels Vanderbilt's Jordan Rodgers 10/8/2011 - YouTube[/ame]

Mark Barron's run fit is DESIGNED for him to light this guy up. His job is to fill in a spot where if the LB can't make it, the QB is trapped and he's got a free shot.

But Alabama doesn't pay players for big hits (as far as we know :shifty. So where's the line? Is it because they paid people, or is it because they injured people?

I get that it's not natural. But football isn't natural. That's not a macho comment, it's a fact. There's nothing normal about the game. Hitting people and injuring people is a part of the deal. Williams wants big hits, so to make it objective, he said injure a guy.

 

[Tailback U]

And you....see nothing wrong with this?

:joker:

When did I ever say that?

Serious question, do you know how to read? Or is "GROAN" the only word you understand?

Only asking because I know you are black.

 

[DSpydr84]

And you....see nothing wrong with this?

:joker:

I still don't think you're getting that most players on defense WANT to hurt people. It's like a guy in MMA saying "I just like the technique of the sport, I don't want to actually injure anyone".

Not a chance.

 

[NWSaint]

There is a reason guys like Tatum, Lott, Atwater, Dawkins, John Lynch, Butkus, Singletary, Lewis etc. will be remembered forever....

heheheheh ;-)

 

[KNUBB]

Everytime I get off work I hope this conversation would have died and yet it's still going on.

 

[EmpireWF]

Everytime I get off work I hope this conversation would have died and yet it's still going on.

As long as you don't click on the thread, it never continues. :lesmug:

 

[KNUBB]

Nope I wanna see how far into full retard we may have ventured.

 

[NWSaint]

Everytime I get off work I hope this conversation would have died and yet it's still going on.

KNUBB.. have you seen the thread on SR yet ????

.. if not, go take a peek.. this thread looks like a kiddies thread compared to
that monster at SR.. you had to know those guys were gonna lose it.. lol.

 

[EmpireWF]

Nope I wanna see how far into full retard the saints may have ventured.

Worst offseason ever?

We talking 97 Marlins bad or what?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

If players wanted to hurt each ither so badly, then why do they get into prayer circles and drop to a knee and hold hands and shed tears when a guy is laying motionless on the ground?

Either the players are full of shit, or you guys are.

Disageee if you want, if you want to believe in this myth, but these guys do not want to injure each other. There is a clear difference between wanting to light somebody up, and wanting to hurt someone. You cant see the difference.

Its all besides the point anyway. Civilized people do not pay others to injure other people, and civilized people dont think this is normal. I think we all agree that the bounties for injury are wrong, so you guys arw really just arguing to argue and talk about how much you like hitting and how manly it makes you feel. Kewl.

As for bucky, im not even sure what hes doing, he just talks and never makes a viable point.

 

[KNUBB]

Worst offseason ever?

We talking 97 Marlins bad or what?

Not even close. This recent NBA offseason was more miserable :lesmug:

 

[KNUBB]

Bart Scott: "Nothing will change, man. They can get rid of every defensive coordinator, every defensive coach, in the league. It’s still football. If you hit someone LEGALLY, and they can’t play as well, or at all, that’s what you want. That’s what being physical is all about.”