Saints Defense maintained a Bounty Program

[Tailback U]

Hey look, another quote that has nothing to do with bounties!

You're retarded at this point. He's saying the bounties don't matter, just like I've been saying.

Take the bounties out, guys are still going to go out and try to take people out of the game. That is what Bart Scott is saying. Somebody who has played the sport for a decade and knows a lot more about what goes on between the lines than you will ever know.

You expect me to believe what you say over guys like Bart Scott, Shaun Philips, Shawn Merriman, etc.? Get the fuck out of here.

 

[DSpydr84]

Hold on...bounties are the nature of the game? Is this really what you are saying, here?

In some ways, yes. I think this is common in the game. If it isn't using monetary rewards, there is certainly praise for big hits and in some cases, injuring players. I guarantee the room erupts in the meeting of the Steelers after a knock out shot against a Raven.

I don't even have words for this. You think it's "cool" that players are being paid to injure other players.

Not meant to be sarcastic, serious question. How old are you?

Seems like a camaraderie thing to me. I think the "injury" part is to avoid subjectivity. The goal is for big hits. If I get a huge hit, my teammates are gonna love it, and I'm gonna get a little extra cash. To a football player, and to myself, that's pretty cool.

I'm 22.

It happening everywhere doesn't make it sensible, classy, or within the rules.

To the bold - yes, when I player football I wanted to de-cleat a guy. Every game. But ffs, I never thought to myself, 'man, I hope i injure somebody today...it would be so cool!'. Never. Not once.

Can't believe there is a small handful of psychopaths here who are condoning human bounties. I figured this would be a 100% topic. Were you people raised by serial killers?

That's your opinion, I know multiple players when I played who wanted to hurt people. The small handful of "psychopaths" on this forum pale in comparison to the amount of "psychopaths" in the NFL.

 

[bucky]

You don't see the difference between condoning clean legal hits...and condoning intent to injure?

That's is exactly the distinction that I make. What's wrong with condoning clean legal hits? Shouldn't the refs, via personal fouls, ejections and the league through fines and suspensions take care of the rest of the hits?

 

[Tailback U]

bucky, im sure youre a nice guy and all, but you arent very bright

Like you are? You don't know shit and you act like you're Mr. Know It All and Mr. Nobleman when it comes to everything when in fact you don't know shit. You're acting like you know more than guys that have played in the league for DECADES. Bart Scott, Shaun Phillips, Shawn Merriman, Damien Woody, the list goes on. These guys actually played. They weren't message board warriors like you. Why the fuck would I believe what you say instead of them?

Get off your high horse mr. smarty pants. You're a full blown hypocrite. Acting like you're so wise and noble with higher morals and ethics than everyone else. You're a joke.

 

[Houston]

Shouldn't the refs, via personal fouls, ejections and the league through fines and suspensions take care of the rest of the hits?

This is exactly what they're doing right now, by cracking down on these bounty's. So what's your problem with it?

 

[Tailback U]

This is exactly what they're doing right now, by cracking down on these bounty's. So what's your problem with it?

Cracking down on bounties has nothing to do with the refs policing hits you fucking idiot.

 

[bucky]

This is exactly what they're doing right now, by cracking down on these bounty's. So what's your problem with it?

I don't have a problem with the league cracking down on bounty's. But I do question just how effective bounty's are if the league is really policing illegal hits. Where have I said that I was against the league cracking down on them? In fact, I suggested stiffer fines and stiffer suspensions for illegal hits to help deter the effectiveness of bounty's.

 

[Houston]

I don't have a problem with the league cracking down on bounty's.

So then what is your argument in this thread? I read through some of your post and I can't find a clear one.

 

[Tailback U]

So then what is your argument in this thread? I read through some of your post and I can't find a clear one.

What is yours?

You've either asked questions that have nothing to do with the posts quoted or you've agreed with us in that bounties should not be allowed in the NFL.

My argument is that while they shouldn't be allowed, it doesn't make a difference if they are allowed or not.

None of you can prove me wrong and many NFL players have actually supported my argument.

 

[DSpydr84]

For those that want to eliminate bounties, are you advocating that you would like the game to be changed as well?

As far as I see it, you can't have your cake and eat it too. I'm not stuck in my ways, and I get the league is trying to be more safe-conscious, but the way it is now, it's not for everyone. It is a violent, nasty game.

So to get rid of things like this, I would think that a lot of other things would have to change. These guys aren't sipping wine or playing chess after matches. It's not a civilized game, and it's not sane. There are some aspects that are, but at its core, it's about imposing your will on another human. "Bounties" (in some form or another) and huge hits are always going to happen unless they redefine the sport, which if that's what they want to do, go ahead. But I don't see how they could have both ways.

 

[EmpireWF]

Bounties for injuring players have no place in the NFL. The fact some of you can't understand this is amazing.

 

[Tailback U]

Bounties for injuring players have no place in the NFL. The fact some of you can't understand this is amazing.

Nobody fucking said that bounties have a place in the NFL.

Your post is totally irrelevant and pointless.

 

[jaxjaggywires]

For those that want to eliminate bounties, are you advocating that you would like the game to be changed as well?

As far as I see it, you can't have your cake and eat it too. I'm not stuck in my ways, and I get the league is trying to be more safe-conscious, but the way it is now, it's not for everyone. It is a violent, nasty game.

So to get rid of things like this, I would think that a lot of other things would have to change. These guys aren't sipping wine or playing chess after matches. It's not a civilized game, and it's not sane. There are some aspects that are, but at its core, it's about imposing your will on another human. "Bounties" (in some form or another) and huge hits are always going to happen unless they redefine the sport, which if that's what they want to do, go ahead. But I don't see how they could have both ways.

You're getting hard hits and bounties confused...hard hits that just happen in the course of a game are not at issue. Bounties that put the emphasis on injuring a specific player are. How can you not make that distinction? It's not a hard one...

 

[Houston]

For those that want to eliminate bounties, are you advocating that you would like the game to be changed as well?

As far as I see it, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
So to get rid of things like this, I would think that a lot of other things would have to change.

"Bounties" (in some form or another) and huge hits are always going to happen unless they redefine the sport, which if that's what they want to do, go ahead.

Yes, because removing bounty's is gonna completely change the sport. God knows how football would survive without them.

And ironically(but not surprisingly), Tailback U thanked this post when he himself just previously said that it doesn't make a difference rather or not they're allowed.

You guys have fun.

 

[DSpydr84]

You're getting hard hits and bounties confused...hard hits that just happen in the course of a game are not at issue. Bounties that put the emphasis on injuring a specific player are. How can you not make that distinction? It's not a hard one...

So if we continuously blitz and kill your QB all night that's ok.

But if I say "hey, we're gonna reward you for a big hit on the QB", and we continuously blitz and kill your QB all night, that's not ok.

Got it.

 

[EmpireWF]

But if I say "hey, we're gonna reward you for a big hit on the QB", and we continuously blitz and kill your QB all night, that's not ok.

blockheads, the lot of you.

It's not for a plain old BIG HIT, it's for INJURING.

 

[Tailback U]

Yes, because removing bounty's is gonna completely change the sport. God knows how football would survive without them.

And ironically(but not surprisingly), Tailback U thanked this post when he himself just previously said that it doesn't make a difference rather or not they're allowed.

You guys have fun.

You're an idiot. I thanked his post because he said that if you want to completely remove bounties and the entire concept of guys trying to hurt one another then you have to dramatically change the sport.

You can remove bounties all you want, guys are still going to go out and try to hurt each other. If you want to remove that, then you have to change the sport.

Please learn to read. I don't think you've successfully comprehended a single post in this entire thread. You groan people left and right without engaging in the conversation and when you do you have no concept of what is actually being said.

In other words, you're a fucking idiot.

 

[EmpireWF]

uh oh, REPS FLYING BACK AND FORTH LIKE SOMEONE'S TRYING TO SEND BACK CHICKEN SOUP @ A DELI!

getting heated now.

 

[Tailback U]

blockheads, the lot of you.

It's not for a plain old BIG HIT, it's for INJURING.

Please show me some evidence of the Saints intent to injure under the bounty program.

Please, any, Just one fucking clip. Just one quote. Something. Anything.

Can you do this? No. So shut up already. All of you. lhoss:

 

[bucky]

So then what is your argument in this thread? I read through some of your post and I can't find a clear one.

I had a couple purposes:

Wanted to irritate Warner and see just how many times I could get him to groan posts.

And I did sum things up in an earlier post but here we go:

I don't have a problem with player run incentive programs for impact plays, which is something different than bounty's to injure players. I can make that distinction.

Bounty's to injure players is unethical, and I don't have a problem with the league cracking down on them. But this is something that has existed since the beginning of football and is a systemic problem. It's been part of the process. It's not just a Saints thing. The problem is much bigger. Problem goes way beyond Gregg Williams. LOL at the over the top, scum of the earth, not fit to live, POS human being reaction some have to Gregg Williams. I don't want him as a coach for GB. But I might not want Dom Capers as a coach for GB if I knew more about him.

I question the effectiveness of bounty's because the refs can hand out personal fouls and ejections over illegal hits, and the league can hand out fines and suspensions for illegal hits. If this currently does nothing to deter bounty's then increase the fines and suspensions. At some point, the fines and suspensions make the few $'s and time missed over bounty's not worth the bounty program which makes the bounty programs become functionally irrelevant.

If there are dirty hits that are still legal, then change the rules so these hits are illegal and the refs and league can penalize the now illegal hits.

Because bounty's have existed since the conception of football, and that it is a systemic problem that has been part of the process for so many decades, and because I question the actual effectiveness of bounty programs, I'm shocked at what I think is a gross over-reaction to the problem to this. OK, say your against it, say the league should do something about it. But the "so and so" coach is a scum of the earth worthless piece of human flesh reaction, is an emotional, over the top over-reaction that I LOL at.

I take a more practical position. Deal with the problem. Find ways to deter the bounty's, make the bounty's functionally irrelevant through personal fouls, ejections, fines and suspensions. Make bounty's go away. I'm staying away from the emotional accusations of being not fit for life disgusting human beings, reactions that some others have. I LOL at that. Most of the league players and coaches would be scum of the earth not fit to live human beings. Just deal with the problem and make bounty's go away. And that would include, if the Saints are proven to have had an incentive to injure program, fines, suspensions for Saints coaches and other team sanctions. I'm thinking beyond the Saints. I'm taking a more global view of the problem and a more practical view.

Does this help? And thanks for asking.