Saints Defense maintained a Bounty Program

[Trmszczykowski]

Please show me some evidence of the Saints intent to injure under the bounty program.

Please, any, Just one fucking clip. Just one quote. Something. Anything.

Can you do this? No. So shut up already. All of you. lhoss:

Roman Harper and Malcom Jenkins. :dtrain:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54jLO6WlBws"]Steve Smith gets into fight after TD Catch - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

You're getting hard hits and bounties confused...hard hits that just happen in the course of a game are not at issue. Bounties that put the emphasis on injuring a specific player are. How can you not make that distinction? It's not a hard one...

because bucky and Tailback aren't very bright

 

[DSpydr84]

blockheads, the lot of you.

It's not for a plain old BIG HIT, it's for INJURING.

So if we absolutely ruin your QBs life for four quarters, hit him from all angles, pressure him, hit him as he throws, knock him on his ass every chance we get, hey, that's good ole' fashioned football!

But as soon as I say "try to injure him", now we have a problem? Even if the pain he actually gets is less than the previous example?

I don't see the difference. I really don't.

 

[EmpireWF]

Please show me some evidence of the Saints intent to injure under the bounty program.

Please, any, Just one fucking clip. Just one quote. Something. Anything.

Can you do this? No. So shut up already. All of you. lhoss:

You make ramjackson look like fucking Einstein.

The investigation by the league's security department determined that an improper "pay for performance" program included "bounty" payments to players for inflicting injuries on opposing players that would result in them being removed from a game.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7638603/new-orleans-saints-defense-had-bounty-program-nfl-says

:joeybats:, now STFU.

 

[EmpireWF]

So if we absolutely ruin your QBs life for four quarters, hit him from all angles, pressure him, hit him as he throws, knock him on his ass every chance we get, hey, that's good ole' fashioned football!

But as soon as I say "try to injure him", now we have a problem?

I don't see the difference. I really don't.

Here it is.

When the majority of NFL players step on the field, they do not do so with the intent to injure their opponents. They may smack the fuck out of them on certain plays and all that shit. Sure, you have some douchebag assholes like Flozell Adams, but everyone doesn't have that attitude.

So when you have a program promoted by team officials that pays guys bonus money for PURPOSEFULLY INJURING PLAYERS, that's the problem for us.

 

[jaxjaggywires]

So if we absolutely ruin your QBs life for four quarters, hit him from all angles, pressure him, hit him as he throws, knock him on his ass every chance we get, hey, that's good ole' fashioned football!

But as soon as I say "try to injure him", now we have a problem? Even if the pain he actually gets is less than the previous example?

I don't see the difference. I really don't.

Wow...just wow.

In one example, your defense is just trying to win the game.
In the next example, your defense is just trying to hurt a specific player.

How's that for a difference?

 

[bucky]

For those that want to eliminate bounties, are you advocating that you would like the game to be changed as well?

As far as I see it, you can't have your cake and eat it too. I'm not stuck in my ways, and I get the league is trying to be more safe-conscious, but the way it is now, it's not for everyone. It is a violent, nasty game.

So to get rid of things like this, I would think that a lot of other things would have to change. These guys aren't sipping wine or playing chess after matches. It's not a civilized game, and it's not sane. There are some aspects that are, but at its core, it's about imposing your will on another human. "Bounties" (in some form or another) and huge hits are always going to happen unless they redefine the sport, which if that's what they want to do, go ahead. But I don't see how they could have both ways.

For players safety, I would somewhat redefine the sport. The NFL has already started to do this. The game is played differently now because of rules changes and fines and suspensions. I like seeing hard hits, but I don't want to see players injured or have the health problems after playing that they have had. Wish there were more advanced equipment football players could ware to help protect them from injury.

So yeah, I'm OK with the game changing to protect players health. If certain types of techniques, like blocking at the knees makes players be more susceptible to injuries, then get rid of those blocking techniques.

 

[Tailback U]

You make ramjackson look like fucking Einstein.



:joeybats:, now STFU.

Sorry Empire, but I prefer to listen to guys like Bart Scott and Shaun Phillips over a nobody like you. You know, guys that have actually played the game.

And your link means nothing? The Saints had a bounty program? OK thanks because we didn't fucking know that already you dipshit. You're not still understanding my argument because you're brain dead.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

So if we absolutely ruin your QBs life for four quarters, hit him from all angles, pressure him, hit him as he throws, knock him on his ass every chance we get, hey, that's good ole' fashioned football!

But as soon as I say "try to injure him", now we have a problem? Even if the pain he actually gets is less than the previous example?

I don't see the difference. I really don't.

As soon as you say "i'll pay you cash to injure him", we have a problem. Any normal human would have a problem with that, actually.

Lots of problems. Ethics and morals, for starters. League rules, salary cap issues, as a secondary issue.

The difference, is an ethical concern over paying one human to inflict an injury on another, and also the fact that, despite the incredibly dense tact taken by Tailback & bucky, there will always be players who do whatever it takes to attempt to collect on this sort of thing.

The idea of a bounty is morally corrupt, even if nobody takes the coach or whoever up on it. Failure to see this is astounding to me.

 

[EmpireWF]

tailback, Your retarded ass wants "VIDEO PROOF" of shady shit. Who cares? The NFL investigated and found they broke rules...you know, by interviewing a bunch of people. Not watching youtube clips, einstein.

 

[Tailback U]

Wow...just wow.

In one example, your defense is just trying to win the game.
In the next example, your defense is just trying to hurt a specific player.

How's that for a difference?

You win the game by attacking a player. The player you attack is a QB, RB, WR, anybody with the ball or anybody that is between you and the ball carrier.

Attacking = hurting. Why is this so hard to understand for some of you?

Serious question, have you ever played football? And if you did, did you play on defense? This goes for Houston, W2B, you, Empire, anyone that doesn't understand the concept of trying to fuck offensive players up by any means necessary.

 

[Houston]

Here it is.

When the majority of NFL players step on the field, they do not do so with the intent to injure their opponents. They may smack the fuck out of them on certain plays and all that shit. Sure, you have some douchebag assholes like Flozell Adams, but everyone doesn't have that attitude.

So when you have a program promoted by team officials that pays guys bonus money for PURPOSEFULLY INJURING PLAYERS, that's the problem for us.

Exactly.

It basically changes from "we're paying you to stop this team from getting first downs" to "we're paying you to injure this teams players".

Why would any league support the injury of it's players?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Sorry Empire, but I prefer to listen to guys like Bart Scott and Shaun Phillips over a nobody like you. You know, guys that have actually played the game.

And your link means nothing? The Saints had a bounty program? OK thanks because we didn't fucking know that already you dipshit. You're not still understanding my argument because you're brain dead.

Bart Scott & Shaun Phillips pontificating on how tough they are because they strap 'em up, again, is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

If they condone bounties, well, all that means is they're wrong too.

 

[Tailback U]

tailback, Your retarded ass wants "VIDEO PROOF" of shady shit. Who cares? The NFL investigated and found they broke rules...you know, by interviewing a bunch of people. Not watching youtube clips, einstein.

You're a fucking moron homey. I want proof that the bounty program actually increases the chances of injuries or penalties.

There is none. Zero. Zilch. Nada. I'm not denying that they broke rules or that there was a bounty program in place. I'm saying it doesn't increase the chances of injury.

They didn't injure more players than teams without a bounty program, so there is no proof that a bounty program makes guys want to go out and injure players.

Until you can prove this, stop wasting my time.

 

[Tailback U]

Bart Scott & Shaun Phillips pontificating on how tough they are because they strap 'em up, again, is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

If they condone bounties, well, all that means is they're wrong too.

Nobody is condoning bounties.

Are all of you fucking retarded?

 

[Houston]

Serious question, have you ever played football? And if you did, did you play on defense? This goes for Houston, W2B, you, Empire, anyone that doesn't understand the concept of trying to fuck offensive players up by any means necessary.

Yes I played 5A Texas Football for a top ranked team in the state. You on the other hand, apparently played against schools so bad that girls were able to step on the field :gayrod:

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

tailback, Your retarded ass wants "VIDEO PROOF" of shady shit. Who cares? The NFL investigated and found they broke rules...you know, by interviewing a bunch of people. Not watching youtube clips, einstein.

Quite honestly, it doesn't matter if the Saints ever committed dirty hits or not. This is where people like bucky and Tailback are being dense. Once they were offered money for injury, it became a deplorable, inexcusable act that the league can not tolerate.

There is no other argument. If you don't agree with the above, you are wrong.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Nobody is condoning bounties.

Are all of you fucking retarded?

THEN WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT THOSE TWO PLAYERS HAVE TO SAY???

Nobody cares about hard hitting football in relation to this topic. It. Doesn't. Matter. Dummy.

 

[bucky]

Please show me some evidence of the Saints intent to injure under the bounty program.

Please, any, Just one fucking clip. Just one quote. Something. Anything.

Can you do this? No. So shut up already. All of you. lhoss:

A credible source that implicates the Saints means a great deal. I don't think you can prove intent through highlights, but credible sources with collaborating statements would be huge. If it's proven, "incentive to injure", the league should do something.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

A credible source that implicates the Saints means a great deal. I don't think you can prove intent through highlights, but credible sources with collaborating statements would be huge. If it's proven, "incentive to injure", the league should do something.

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