Saints Defense maintained a Bounty Program

[Warner2BruceTD]

It is absolutely unacceptable in every single way, and a tremendously awful PR and ethical decision by the NFL to allow that to happen.

Listen, I'm not naive enough to say that the macho-attitude of the NFL is a good thing for player safety or helps the league in terms of its perception.

What I'm saying is, the way the game is played, I can see how these things would happen. If I pay a guy $50,000 to blitz off the edge and hit the QB in the back as hard as he can to knock the ball out (which is what players essentially get paid for in their contract), is that any less or more acceptable? If I teach my smaller defensive backs to dive at the knees to tackle a bigger running back, or if my teach my huge offensive lineman to throw their bodies at the knees of a linebacker to stop backside pursuit and cut them, is that any less or more acceptable? If my wide receiver is taught to come down inside and blind-side a safety who's chasing the run and crack him, is that any less or more acceptable?

I posted this video earlier, but notice all the cut blocks and bodies on the ground after this carnage. What makes this acceptable? Because nobody had "intent to injure"?

Alabama's Mark Barron levels Vanderbilt's Jordan Rodgers 10/8/2011 - YouTube

Where is the line? The issue here is that they threw the word "injure" around. But all of the acts mentioned above happen on a regular basis, and in each case, players are at risk for injury.

When does a "good technique" or a good "football play" (the worst phrase in sports) turn into a malicious attempt to hurt someone? Is it because they said it, or is it because it happened?

I think in both cases, the players on the field respond the same.

For the millionth time, offering CASH in exchange for INJURY in the issue.

I don't give a single shit about the rest of the crap you posted.

All I care about, is the ACT of offering CASH in exchange for INJURING players.

There is your line. The line is when you offer cash in exchange for injuring somebody. That should make anybody uneasy, and has no place in any sport. And if you agree with that, why the fuck are you arguing with me?

 

[Rayman]

Just throwing this out there, but Antonio Pierce played for Gregg Williams.

And he sounds an awful lot like Bromar here.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play?id=7644396

 

[bucky]

For the millionth time, offering CASH in exchange for INJURY in the issue.

I don't give a single shit about the rest of the crap you posted.

All I care about, is the ACT of offering CASH in exchange for INJURING players.

There is your line. The line is when you offer cash in exchange for injuring somebody. That should make anybody uneasy, and has no place in any sport. And if you agree with that, why the fuck are you arguing with me?

And your not solving any problem here. Your just going on an empty rant. Really? Is that all your purpose is here in the thread, to say it's unethical?

I don't mean to be a jerk, but you really are an Fn woman.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

And your not solving any problem here. Your just going on an empty rant. Really? Is that all your purpose is here in the thread, to say it's unethical?

I don't mean to be a jerk, but you really are an Fn woman.

edit - im done.

Taiback is weirdo on roid rage, Dspyder is missing the point, and bucky is just bucky, as usual.

 

[bucky]

lol

you are such a geek

tell me more about your fines, suspensions, and punishments for illegal hits, when it has nothing to do with the issue of bounties

TELL ME MORE, KEEP REPEATING YOURSELF IDIOT

It has everything to do with the issue. It's a way to combat the issue. Are you that thick that you won't even acknowledge ways to prevent these things from happening? And to you, things that can solve the issue has nothing to do with the issue?

So just rant, and fight for a result, punishing a coach, that in the end changes nothing?

You trollin me? Or do you get so stubborn that you can't reason?

 

[Juggernaut]

How much were the "bounties"?

Seems ridiculous to risk your job if its not a good amount of cash.

And it seems you guys are arguing over the wording. If its the 4th quarter, my team's down by 3 and one of our defensive guys hits the QB hard enough to make them sub in the backup, well then I'm happy. It's a hard hitting sport, the o-line should have blocked better.

 

[DSpydr84]

For the millionth time, offering CASH in exchange for INJURY in the issue.

I don't give a single shit about the rest of the crap you posted.

All I care about, is the ACT of offering CASH in exchange for INJURING players.

There is your line. The line is when you offer cash in exchange for injuring somebody. That should make anybody uneasy, and has no place in any sport. And if you agree with that, why the fuck are you arguing with me?

So if he offers cash for "big hits" instead of "injuring players", is this whole mess resolved?

Because to me, I think that was his intent. Just wanted to use something a little more objective than saying "big hits".

 

[EmpireWF]

How much were the "bounties"?

And it seems you guys are arguing over the wording. If its the 4th quarter, my team's down by 3 and one of our defensive guys hits the QB hard enough to make them sub in the backup, well then I'm happy. It's a hard hitting sport, the o-line should have blocked better.

In one instance, Vilma apparently offered any teammate $10,000 in the NFC Title game if they knocked Favre out of the game.

We're not arguing about what happens organically during the course of a game. We're talking about when coaches/players go into a game with a system where guys are paid bonus money for purposefully injuring players.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...s-bounty-case/2012/03/04/gIQAThoDrR_blog.html

The NFL is considering severe, sweeping disciplinary measures in the New Orleans Saints’ bounty case that could include lengthy suspensions of Coach Sean Payton, General Manager Mickey Loomis, former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams and player leaders of the scheme, a person familiar with the deliberations said Sunday.

The person, speaking on the condition of anonymity because NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has not made final decisions on penalties, said some of the sanctions could be “unprecedented.” Payton and Loomis face discipline for failing to halt the practice of paying players for big hits on opponents. The bounty system was administered by Williams and involved 22 to 27 players, according to an NFL investigation revealed Friday.

The suspensions under consideration are a half-season or longer in some cases, the person said. Several other people in the sport said they expect Williams, now the defensive coordinator of the St. Louis Rams, to be punished severely.

Good.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

no because thats still illegal

but dude, football players are killers who are going to try to hurt each other anyway, so what harm can a bounty do?

 

[ram29jackson]

Payton wont get suspended

 

[Tailback U]

edit - im done.

Taiback is weirdo on roid rage, Dspyder is missing the point, and bucky is just bucky, as usual.

And you're a delusional, hypocritical, woman that twists others words around.

Nobody's perfect.

But if you think I'm a weirdo on roid rage, I really wonder what you would think of guys like Brian Cushing, Ray Lewis, Bart Scott, and basically all the linebackers in the NFL.

Remove the bounties. Guys are still going to go out and try to hurt people when they hit them.

Fast forward to 30 seconds in, you'll see Brian Dawkins talking about how he wants to see snot bubbles, glazy eyes, whatever it takes to dominate.

http://youtu.be/04ktDRKsRb8

Ray Lewis talking about knocking out anybody that touches the football today.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUra9wrjCfU"]Ray lewis speech tonight wired pump up legend - YouTube[/ame]

Dawkins again just going off repeatedly about knocking people out, busting 'em in their mouths, just a truly awesome psycho which is why I love him:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi8pPnIjqxE&feature=related"]Brian Dawkins- Its Time For War - YouTube[/ame]

This is how players think in the NFL. Pretty much every defensive player in the NFL is a "weirdo on roid rage" just like me. They are out to hurt people with or without a bounty program.

For the last time, that doesn't mean the bounty programs should be allowed because they shouldn't.

I'll leave with another Dawkins video, talking about how he transforms into a wildman on the football field from a very mild-mannered person off. Fast forward to 4:00 and you'll see him telling Chris Cooley that he's going to make sure Cooley feels pain.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPN0jOaWlsE"]Brain Dawkins History-Weapon X - YouTube[/ame]

I'm tired of repeating myself so until further information surfaces, which I'm sure it will soon, I'm done as well.

 

[Aso]

Can't believe how long this argument went on for. 500 posts?

 

[Tailback U]

Can't believe how long this argument went on for. 50 pages?

Change your settings, it's only 13.

:motte:

 

[Aso]

Change your settings, it's only 13.

:motte:

Caught me before I edited my post lol.

 

[MrBill]

In one instance, Vilma apparently offered any teammate $10,000 in the NFC Title game if they knocked Favre out of the game.

And Vilma's teammates tried to collect the bounty. Favre's ankle and hamstring after the NFC championship game

I was at the game and you could see the excitement on the Saints sidelines each time took a cheap shot. You can't fault players for being excited when their team is doing well but obviously cheering on injuries to opposing players is pretty low class.

 

[Tailback U]

And Vilma's teammates tried to collect the bounty. Favre's ankle and hamstring after the NFC championship game

I was at the game and you could see the excitement on the Saints sidelines each time took a cheap shot. You can't fault players for being excited when their team is doing well but obviously cheering on injuries to opposing players is pretty low class.

I bet you masturbate to those pictures you sick fuck. Your love for Favre is disturbing.

Here are highlights of the hits the Saints put on Favre:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJG7WtIn8f8"]New Orleans Saints put Brett Favre's Pants on the Ground (featuring American Idol's Larry Platt) - YouTube[/ame]

I don't know if that is all of them or not, but from those hits I see nothing that is clearly and undeniably cheap done by the Saints in any of those plays. Not only that, I could say that on some of the plays it looks like the Saints players are actually trying to do everything they can to make sure they aren't doing anything extra that would risk getting a penalty.

So they were probably cheering every time they sacked Favre, hit Favre, or put Favre on the ground then. How weird.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Hits on Favre and Warner were dirty as fuck. Not surprised there was a bounty, that defense played dirty through the playoffs.

Take draft pics, and make Brees have that growth removed from his face.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

That bounty is such a miniscule percentage of the players salary, its insignificant & didnt change play in any way.

The problem i see with a bounty (if the prize was substantial), is that it would encourage illegal hits.

However, if players are more encouraged to make hard hits and keep them within the rules, i see no problem at all.

Teams are always trying to knock the opposing QB out of the game, they dont need chump change to be motivated to do that.

 

[nwfisch]

What a surprise, ZoneBlitz misses the point as well.

He's OK with it as long as Williams used the Zone Blitz.

 

[Houston]

I bet you masturbate to those pictures you sick fuck. Your love for Favre is disturbing.

Here are highlights of the hits the Saints put on Favre:

New Orleans Saints put Brett Favre's Pants on the Ground (featuring American Idol's Larry Platt) - YouTube

I don't know if that is all of them or not, but from those hits I see nothing that is clearly and undeniably cheap done by the Saints in any of those plays. Not only that, I could say that on some of the plays it looks like the Saints players are actually trying to do everything they can to make sure they aren't doing anything extra that would risk getting a penalty.

So they were probably cheering every time they sacked Favre, hit Favre, or put Favre on the ground then. How weird.

Never liked the saying, but if I could groan this post 100 times I would.