Vincent Jackson's 2010 stats

[Aso]

9th in yards ... 30th in receptions ... what's that average out to? I was a comm. major.

In '09 Moss caught 22.3% of Brady's completions. Vincent Jackson caught 21.4% of Rivers' passes. Why is that .9% all of a sudden the difference between a top 10 player and a "fringe top 20" player. Guess what, sometimes catches come down to offensive philosophy. The Chargers ran the ball more than the Patriots and the Chargers had less plays from the LOS.

And Guess what... Moss isn't play anywhere where he was last season. Last season Moss was good, this season he's looked like straight trash.

 

[NAHSTE]

In '09 Moss caught 22.3% of Brady's completions. Vincent Jackson caught 21.4% of Rivers' passes. Why is that .9% all of a sudden the difference between a top 10 player and a "fringe top 20" player. Guess what, sometimes catches come down to offensive philosophy. The Chargers ran the ball more than the Patriots and the Chargers had less plays from the LOS.

The Chargers have the top passing attack in the league. Vincent Jackson is interchangeable.

 

[Aso]

The Chargers have the top passing attack in the league. Vincent Jackson is interchangeable.

And the same can be said for the Patriots and Randy Moss this season.

 

[NAHSTE]

And the same can be said for the Patriots and Randy Moss this season.

Looks like they're about equal then ... If only one of them were a future HOFer, we could finally settle this matter ...

 

[citizenerased]

In '09 Moss caught 22.3% of Brady's completions. Vincent Jackson caught 21.4% of Rivers' passes. Why is that .9% all of a sudden the difference between a top 10 player and a "fringe top 20" player. Guess what, sometimes catches come down to offensive philosophy. The Chargers ran the ball more than the Patriots and the Chargers had less plays from the LOS.

And Guess what... Moss isn't play anywhere where he was last season. Last season Moss was good, this season he's looked like straight trash.

And what has Vincent Jackson done again this year?

Also, from when you were trying to argue that Vincent Jackson has been better than Moss since 2008...

2008-2010?

You mean the period where Moss has more catches (161 to 127), more yards (2411 to 2265) and more touchdowns (27 to 16)

Rivers/The Chargers have also thrown more touchdown passes than the Patriots over the past two years (62 to 51), yet Moss has caught 27 compared to Jacksons 16. This is fun.

Also, please go die in a fire.

The offer in the last sentence still applies BTW.

 

[Juggernaut]

Looks like they're about equal then ... If only one of them were a future HOFer, we could finally settle this matter ...

Please explain what the fuck your trying to prove.

Randy Moss is better than Vincent Jackson career wise? No shit.

Randy Moss is better than Vincent Jackson this year? Well Randy has been on 3 teams, and has been a headache for all 3 of them in some way. While Vincent was just sitting out since he knew he deserved a contract extension.

 

[NAHSTE]

Please explain what the fuck your trying to prove.

Randy Moss is better than Vincent Jackson career wise? No shit.

Randy Moss is better than Vincent Jackson this year? Well Randy has been on 3 teams, and has been a headache for all 3 of them in some way. While Vincent was just sitting out since he knew he deserved a contract extension.

Please explain what the fuck needs proving? One is inactive, and has never been better than Randy Moss, ever ... One is Randy Moss.

What I'm trying to prove, is that Aso is a dumbfuck for ever making the original argument.

 

[packersfan4eva]

:rofl:

Philadelphia's starting center has better stats than Jackson.

1 catch, two yards.

 

[Aso]

Please explain what the fuck needs proving? One is inactive, and has never been better than Randy Moss, ever ... One is Randy Moss.

What I'm trying to prove, is that Aso is a dumbfuck for ever making the original argument.

And somehow I predicted after the first few games that Moss would continue to play like shit for the rest of the season... Hey Look! I was right, he has. If Vincent Jackson has two catches for the Chargers vs the Colts then he's already outperformed Moss over the past two weeks. If he has six catches then he's outperformed Moss over his past three games.

 

[Aso]

:rofl:

Philadelphia's starting center has better stats than Jackson.

1 catch, two yards.

Philly's center is obviously a better receiver than Jackson. Right NAHSTE?

 

[GoChargers]

Jackson is going to be playing for a contract when he comes back, I'm expecting him to light shit up.. Unlike Moss he actually does enjoy playing football it seems. He'll be somewhere else next season and whoever picks him up will be lucky to have gotten him.

He's had those 2 DUI's but he seems pretty determined to leave them in his past so i'll give him the benefit of the doubt unless he screws up again.

 

[Aso]

Straight cash homie.

 

[Tailback U]

In '09 Moss caught 22.3% of Brady's completions. Vincent Jackson caught 21.4% of Rivers' passes. Why is that .9% all of a sudden the difference between a top 10 player and a "fringe top 20" player. Guess what, sometimes catches come down to offensive philosophy. The Chargers ran the ball more than the Patriots and the Chargers had less plays from the LOS.

This is such a stupid statement I have to groan it. Comparing percentages of passes completed to a WR from a QB is fucking retarded. Means absolutely nothing, don't even know why you are bringing up more useless numbers from that dumb shit website full of nerds analyzing the most meaningless of stats.

And Guess what... Moss isn't play anywhere where he was last season. Last season Moss was good, this season he's looked like straight trash.

Players don't just go to shit in 1 season. Moss isn't motivated, has played in 3 different systems with 5 different quarterbacks, his production isn't going to be the same under those circumstances. You sound exactly like all the TO haters that were talking shit about him last season in Buffalo.

We've already been through this, and like I said, comparing a player who hasn't played a single game and a player who has been on 3 teams in 10 weeks is stupid.

 

[Aso]

This is such a stupid statement I have to groan it. Comparing percentages of passes completed to a WR from a QB is fucking retarded. Means absolutely nothing, don't even know why you are bringing up more useless numbers from that dumb shit website full of nerds analyzing the most meaningless of stats.



Players don't just go to shit in 1 season. Moss isn't motivated, has played in 3 different systems with 5 different quarterbacks, his production isn't going to be the same under those circumstances. You sound exactly like all the TO haters that were talking shit about him last season in Buffalo.

We've already been through this, and like I said, comparing a player who hasn't played a single game and a player who has been on 3 teams in 10 weeks is stupid.

How is that retarded? I also didn't use that website... I simply took Jackson's receptions and divided by Rivers completions total and same for Moss and Brady. How is that not a better measure than total catches? If Brady throws 100 more passes, guess who's gonna catch more passes?... Moss will. Simply saying, 'Well Moss has 83 catches while Jackson has 68... Moss must be better'. Think a little.

Lol, if he can't get motivated playing in a contract year, playing for a team that just traded for him to go back to his hometown, playing for a 5-3 football team at the top of their division. When will he be motivated?

How exactly is Moss' situation and Owens' similar at all? T.O. was playing well he just didn't have any QB, any offensive line to protect said QB, and didn't play in an offensive system that could do any sort of decent job to mask those weaknesses. Weird how he played better when Fitzpatrick came in, a QB who can move the ball downfield and move around to buy more time and escape the rush. I have always believed Owens can play because he's never showed me a reason to believe he can't unlike Moss. Moss has shown me plenty of reason to believe that he's no good anymore.

This didn't originally start comparing like that. Someone was questioning whether the Patriots might trade for Vincent Jackson, I replied by saying I didn't think it would happen even though I think Jackson is easily better. Now I believe that was 2-3-4 weeks into the season or something like that.

Moss didn't have a great impact for games 10-16 last season. He didn't play as well as he did in games 1-9. Now Jackson also had a similar dip but he actually came back and had a some good games again.

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Now the "Vincent Jackson is no good because the Chargers have been fine without him." Well guess what, 35 points and no Antonio Gates later the Chargers offense is still rolling with probably the best receiving TE in the game on the sideline. The Chargers have been great with guys missing for the most of this season.

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Vincent Jackson aside, you thought Moss was top 10 and he hasn't played well enough to be top 32 this season. I was obviously right about something. I mean, after Moss had 1 catch in 2 weeks this thread was made. Is that a coincidence? Now how well Jackson will play when he gets back is up in the air but Moss has even exceded my expectations for how bad he'll play the rest of the season. Truly remarkable how much one player can live off of reputation and have so much people will defend the player to the end.

 

[Tailback U]

You're being hypocritical. You don't want to bring up stats from previous years but now you want to bring up stats.

Again, you're comparing a guy who has 0 catches and hasn't played a down to a guy who has played on 3 teams and in 3 different offensive schemes with a bunch of different quarterbacks.

When Moss is on a team that makes him a priority and when he wants to play he is hands down better than Vincent Jackson. Obviously the issue with Moss has always been attitude and not talent. If you can't see that you're blind.

 

[Aso]

You're being hypocritical. You don't want to bring up stats from previous years but now you want to bring up stats.

Again, you're comparing a guy who has 0 catches and hasn't played a down to a guy who has played on 3 teams and in 3 different offensive schemes with a bunch of different quarterbacks.

When Moss is on a team that makes him a priority and when he wants to play he is hands down better than Vincent Jackson. Obviously the issue with Moss has always been attitude and not talent. If you can't see that you're blind.

I don't understand, when did I not want to bring up stats? I don't remember that.

You're right that you can't compare a guy that hasn't play this season to anybody. There's just nothing to compare, period. But with Moss, it just sounds like a bunch of excuses as to why he's not playing well to me. As for the Titans, he had an entire bye week to learn the playbook then made 1 catch in 2 games and all season long he hasn't been playing well. At some point you gotta stop throwing a million different excuses out there for Moss and just admit that he's not playing well.

I was never disputing that it's all about attitude and not talent with Moss. The thing is because of his attitude he doesn't put his talent to as good of use as it could be.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Moss was on pace for a 50+ catch, 10 TD season before the drama of the NE/MIN game that derailed his season. And that's including the zero catch NE/MIA game where Belicheat basically removed him from the gameplan because he knew he was trading him the next day.

Moss has clearly quit and is waiting for free agency, where it would shock no one if he ended up back in NE.

Jackson, meanwhile, hasnt even played a down, for reasons entirely within his control.

It's like i've said all along, both of them are flawed induviduals who I wouldnt want on my team. But if I had to choose, i'm taking Moss because when his head is straight he's a HOF player. Jackson at his best and with his head on straight, he is an above average WR.

 

[Tailback U]

I don't understand, when did I not want to bring up stats? I don't remember that.

You're right that you can't compare a guy that hasn't play this season to anybody. There's just nothing to compare, period. But with Moss, it just sounds like a bunch of excuses as to why he's not playing well to me. As for the Titans, he had an entire bye week to learn the playbook then made 1 catch in 2 games and all season long he hasn't been playing well. At some point you gotta stop throwing a million different excuses out there for Moss and just admit that he's not playing well.

I was never disputing that it's all about attitude and not talent with Moss. The thing is because of his attitude he doesn't put his talent to as good of use as it could be.

I don't get why you think he sucks so much. You do remember him burning Revis this year for that 1 handed TD snag, also burning Merriweather on that play that he was interfered on, and catching 2 TDs vs the Bills as well?

You just hate him so much that you want him to suck. You don't realize that the excuses people are making are legitimate. I have no reason to stand up for Moss, I wouldn't even care if he actually did suck, but the fact is he doesn't. He just doesn't care to play hard right now and he isn't getting that many balls thrown his way. That's a fact not an excuse.

 

[Aso]

Moss was on pace for a 50+ catch, 10 TD season before the drama of the NE/MIN game that derailed his season. And that's including the zero catch NE/MIA game where Belicheat basically removed him from the gameplan because he knew he was trading him the next day.

Where do you get this shit from? After four games he had 9 catches. That's a little upward of 2 catches a game. Statistically speaking after 4 games he was on pace for 36 catches. After the first three he was on pace for 48.

He did have a lot of td's yes because Moss is known for catching long td's and being a very good redzone target. Those are his strengths.

I just remember watching those games and it was clear Moss wasn't anywhere near where he was earlier in his career. He's nowhere near as good now, or for the first three games of the season. His entire season he hasn't been playing well. Don't try and act like he was playing at a superstar level and then just dropped off once the Miami game hit.

Moss has clearly quit and is waiting for free agency, where it would shock no one if he ended up back in NE.

Jackson, meanwhile, hasnt even played a down, for reasons entirely within his control.

It's like i've said all along, both of them are flawed induviduals who I wouldnt want on my team. But if I had to choose, i'm taking Moss because when his head is straight he's a HOF player. Jackson at his best and has his head on straight, he is an above average WR.

This season Moss hasn't had his head on straight at any point in the season. I'd rather have Jackson this season then Moss simply because I just wouldn't want Moss this season with how he's played. I'd rather have the absence of both of them than have what Randy Moss has been doing this season on my team.

Call me stupid, call me what you want. I would in fact be shocked if he went back to New England in 2011. New England has moved on. They don't want his ass back. To me it looks they are trying to go back to the same ways they won Superbowls in 01, 03, and 04.

 

[Aso]

I don't get why you think he sucks so much. You do remember him burning Revis this year for that 1 handed TD snag, also burning Merriweather on that play that he was interfered on, and catching 2 TDs vs the Bills as well?

You just hate him so much that you want him to suck. You don't realize that the excuses people are making are legitimate. I have no reason to stand up for Moss, I wouldn't even care if he actually did suck, but the fact is he doesn't. He just doesn't care to play hard right now and he isn't getting that many balls thrown his way. That's a fact not an excuse.

See this is the problem I have. Moss makes one highlight reel catch and people think he's had a great game. Something I bet you didn't know. Moss was thrown to 10 times that game and he made a total of 2 catches. That's a fucking horrible game. You catch 20% of the passes thrown your way, really?! And you're suppose to be elite. Well because he made one beautiful one hand grab for a touchdown the rest of that game is completely ignored.

This season he has completely sucked and right now is living off of reputation.